Serious questions about my 8N

GunnyIa

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Gentlemen (and women, too) ,

I learned from this forum that my early 8N is not a 1947, but a 1948 model. It is a front mount,6V + gnd. I do not have a PTO cover, but it might have a ORC? I'm wanting to put a PTO cover on it. [b:6704824ba5]Will a PTO cover fit over an ORC?[/b:6704824ba5]

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My oil filter case has (I thought) a zert fitting. Now I'm not sure what it is. [b:6704824ba5]What is the fitting at the bottom of my oil filter casing? If a zert, what would it be greasing?[/b:6704824ba5]

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I pull a back blade and box blade maintaining a 1-mile gravel road. I do not have sway bars, and thinking they would help hold the implements behind the tractor. I know the difference between the non & adjustable bars.[b:6704824ba5] Why would I need or want adjustable bars?[/b:6704824ba5]

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I have a tube & hoses from the hydraulic storage area. [b:6704824ba5]How would I use this addition and should I keep it on the tractor?[/b:6704824ba5]

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Enough for now. Love the threads and excellent help given to all! Thank you for all feedback!

Gunny, in Iowa
 
Only way to put cover on is take the ORC off.
The zerk is probably just used in place of the pipe plug that should be there. I.E. who ever owned it before you lost the pipe plug and
grabbed what he had on hand to do the job.
The sway bars that adjust are for locking the 3 point draw bar in place so it does not jump up. One a blade you want the bars that do not adjust.
And the last one again who ever owned it before you tapped into the hyd and yes it can be done but you have the chain the 3 point arms down or you will nto get any pressure
 
I remove the ORC when not in use just so that I can screw the cover back on. That open PTO is a disaster waiting to happen.

I also use the shield off of an old PTO extender that I had and bolted it to the PTO as an extra safety measure.

Following pict shows the shield in place and the ford 8N sway bars.
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Thanks, guys! That answered a few nagging questions I had. Now, I'm going to tackle the radiator that's falling apart, and the PTO shifter that won't move!

Enjoy the evening!
Gunny, in Iowa
 
On the sway bars question, I use one regular sway bar and one adjustable one. When hooking up an implement sometimes it's easier to install the non adjustable bar first, then install the adjustable one. Just unscrew the bar to meet the pin. You don't have to fight to get anything lined up that way, plus you can use the adjustable one to get the implement centered.

Just makes things easier.

Concerning the PTO cover, I just leave my ORC on full time. I have either the brush hog or the box blade on full time. When the tractor is running, there is absolutely no reason I'm ever going to get between the implement and the tractor so I don't really consider it a safety factor. Just use your common sense.
 
You can't put a cover on the PTO without removing
the ORC.The grease zirk. Someone lost the drain plug
and replaced it with a zirk. The sway bars I only
have the non adjustabe type. The hydraulic valve I
think is for a loader.
 
(quoted from post at 16:43:42 03/02/15) I forget about the 1 1/8" shafts.
For me it would be worth changing out the shaft to 1 3/8" just so you could use the better ORC.

I've thought seriously thought about doing that myself. But with my luck I'd find out that my shaft is twisted or something like that and it would have to be cut out.

I just don't want to take that chance as long as there is no real reason to remove the shaft. I wouldn't mind the cost of doing it at all if it went smoothly.
 

Concerning the PTO cover, I just leave my ORC on full time. I have either the brush hog or the box blade on full time. When the tractor is running, there is absolutely no reason I'm ever going to get between the implement and the tractor so I don't really consider it a safety factor. Just use your common sense.

True..But I have my 16 year old son who loves working with Dad. He's faster than I can keep on eye him. We haul a lot of logs out of the back woods which brings him close to that shaft....I could never live with myself.
 
I read your post about that the other day.
It is pretty simple to pull the shaft CaryC.
If it will pull out 5 inches it will come all the way out. Just nose it down in the ditch and remove the 4 bolts. Would take about 5 mins and then you'd know.
Some folks don't recommend nosing it down because of poor front transmission seals but I don't see that as a problem. If they were that weepy you would definately see it under the tractor every time you parked it.
If you don't have a ditch nearby here's another way to get it done without draining the oil. wink

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(quoted from post at 19:23:48 03/02/15) If you buy an ORC like the one pictured you can just push a button to slip it off.

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I have a 1 1/8 inch shaft. If I slip a sleeve over it to make it a one and 1 3/8 inch Shaft would this type of ORC still work?
 
You could always make a half moon cover so that the PTO with the ORC would still be there but a whole lot harder to get a pant leg into it. The old Farmalls had them
 
Adjustable sway bars allow you to use implements that may have a different hitch pin spacing than what the period correct implements have. Also you can off center a rotary mower if you are cutting close to a fence, wall, border etc.
 
Gunny.......yer last picture of a hydraulic tube is fer a "REMOTE" cylinder, most likely a swing-disc harrow altho could also be a center mount sickle-bar mower. There are 2-kinds of stabilizer bars fer yer 3-point mount. Non-adjustable from 11-hole drawbar to under the fender mounts. Keeps it from swinging yet allows it to hydraulically lift. The other type of stabilizer bar keep the 11-hole drawbar from lifting. Usually used fer towing wagons, particularly when BACKING up. Remember, yer 3-point hydraulics is POWER-UP and gravity down.

BTW.......Ford designed and sold over 272 3-point implements. And when Ford's patents ran out, other implement manufactures got into the act.

As fer yer ORC which is NECESSARY fer yer 5-ft disc mower, I cleverly shopped my local hardware store fer a 4-in toilet floor hub with sheetmetal flange. With a bitt of rat-tail work on the flange, I gotter to fit around my ORC and PTO. I then cut a 6" length of plastic pipe to fit the floor flange and the ORC. I didn't GLUE it, just friction fit keeps it tite. .......ORC safety preacher Dell
 
First of all let me apologize to Gunny for hijacking his thread. No harm meant.
That said, JonB, you can get them on Ebay. I linked to one seller below. There are others.
I liked this style much better as it is quick to remove from the tractor.
Graywolf, I don't think you can use it with the adapter sleeve. But, I've never tried it so can not say for sure.
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Some really good feedback & information here! [b:8273649b1e]Thank you, everyone[/b:8273649b1e], for your comments!

I don't think I will ever be using a swinger behind the tractor. At this time, I have no need for an IRC so I will remove & store it and ordering a cover for the PTO shaft [b:8273649b1e](unless someone has one available?).[/b:8273649b1e]

I do not plan on adding a loader, or any other hydraulic implement, so I will remove the additional hydraulic connection & storing it too.

One non-adjustable & one adjustable sway bar, that sounds like a good choice. I'll be ordering those [b:8273649b1e](unless someone has used pieces available?).[/b:8273649b1e]

Gunny, in Iowa
 
(quoted from post at 12:05:10 03/03/15)
I do not plan on adding a loader, or any other hydraulic implement, so I will remove the additional hydraulic connection & storing it too.

Gunny, in Iowa

Why - it is doing no harm and if you ever need (and you probably will) an external hydraulic connection it is there ready to go.

TOH
 

I agree with TOH. You already have it.
You could hook it up to control a simple hydraulic cylinder as a top link. Infinite adj of the top link as you need. (Well almost infinite)
 
(quoted from post at 13:55:19 03/03/15)
I agree with TOH. You already have it.
You could hook it up to control a simple hydraulic cylinder as a top link. [b:3294b6dfb0]Infinite adj of the top link[/b:3294b6dfb0] as you need. (Well almost infinite)

Got to admit, I didn't think about a top link. That is a possibility! I'll think more about it, I'm in no rush at this time.

Appreciate the suggestions!

Gunny, in Iowa
 
(quoted from post at 17:40:38 03/03/15)
(quoted from post at 13:55:19 03/03/15)
I agree with TOH. You already have it.
You could hook it up to control a simple hydraulic cylinder as a top link. [b:efae763d62]Infinite adj of the top link[/b:efae763d62] as you need. (Well almost infinite)

Got to admit, I didn't think about a top link. That is a possibility! I'll think more about it, I'm in no rush at this time.

Appreciate the suggestions!

Gunny, in Iowa

No hydraulic top link control with that hydraulic outlet. The only way you get pressure at teh port is to chain the lift down....

TOH
 

What TOH said is true. People usually use a set up like that to get hydro power to a front end loader.
 
(quoted from post at 18:49:16 03/03/15)

No hydraulic top link control with that hydraulic outlet. The only way you get pressure at teh port is to chain the lift down....

TOH
Yep forgot about that little fact.
 

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