49 8n really hard to start

8n front dist 6v
New dist 2months old plugs wires coil all new
New carb new battery
When it starts it runs great need lots of help from battery
charger I put a meter on battery it's 6.7 volts I turn key it drops
to 6.4 I crank it over it drops to 5.5 volts
Battery? Generator not charging ? It was neg ground from
previous owner I put it back to pos ground and polarized gen
But I don't think it's working
It use to start ok right after I threw all the new parts at it but it
did overrun starter often what am I missing
 
Forgot to mention when I hook up battery charger and charge battery up to 8.5 volts or more it starts great but without charger forget it
 
grays vintage,Check and clean and shine all of the battery connections.Are the cables 1-0 or 00 copper and no skimpy little 12 volt cables?Are the ends connected good and not corroded?Is the positive cable grounded to the block,or steering box clean and bright and not hooked to the battery box?Remove the starter and clean the mounting surfaces starter end plate,clutch housing,with emery cloth till it shines.Then bolt it back up good and snug.Check negative cable and ends,starter and solenoid connections 1-0 or 00 size copper cable. CLEAN all connections and the starter will really ZING!and CRANK your engine over.
 
Might one ask if you have VERIFIED your choke is assembled properly and rigged properly to fully close?

One easy check might be to remove the 'S' pipe from the air cleaner and manually choke it with your hand......
 
Gray.......you write......"I put a meter on battery it's 6.7 volts I turn key it drops to 6.4 I crank it over it drops to 5.5 volts Battery?".......would you believe that is NORMAL. Every lead-acid battery DROPS voltage as load it applied. And "polishing" the starter-tranny hole is good to do. But ya know what, our ears are "tuned" to the whirrr of our BelchFire-V8 starter motor and so the rumpa-rump of a 6-volt starter motor sez BAD BATTERY.

And unlike yer 12-volt alternator, yer 6-volt genny does NOT CHARGE at idle. It takes about 1/3-throttle before the 6-volt genny will charge yer battery. Thats just the way it works. ......HTH, electrical Dell
 
I cleaned connections checked to make sure all was tight tried doing choke with hand it flooded cleaned plugs tried again nothing
Found the timing screw on side of dist is loose it moves up and down where do I set this ?
 
" Found the timing screw on side of dist is loose it moves up and down where do I set this ? "

It's more to it than that.

If the screw is loose, the plate has probably moved & you have a timing problem.

The screw just holds the plate in place. You need to loosen the screw to move the plate. That's how you change the timing.

Ever done that?
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" I just set it before I installed the dist"

OK, but my point is that the screw is now loose & the plate could have moved, therefore your timing will be off.

You can't just tighten the screw & assume the timing is correct w/o re-setting it.

Which is what I would do.

Did you set the timing w/ a jig or did you use a straight edge to do it?
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Strait edge
So ill remove it and reset it ?
What would cause all of my starter over run in the past ?
It would cough a few times kick starter out and wouldn't start it seemed like it was really close then but just wouldn't start it would take a few tries like 10
Thanks for all your help by the way
 

Gray to add to Dell's advice, have the battery checked with a load tester. Just to verify it is in good shape.
Also cold weather and batteries don't mix too well. Colder it gets the more "rumpa rumpa" the battery loses.
 


Re starter over run........you can get the newer style bendix or you can do a tune up on the tractor. Getting the point gap & timing correct will help tremendously.

It works like this......the bendix engages the ring gear on the flywheel & turns the engine over. When the engine speed exceeds the design speed of the bendix (because the engine is running) it disengages. (and I can never remember what RPM that is) All the new style bendix does is allow a higher engine speed before it disengages.

What is happening in your engine is that 1 or 2 plugs fire, the engine momentarily exceeds the bendix disengage RPM.....and it disengages before you have all 4 firing.

" So ill remove it and reset it ? "

Yes, but set the points first. (.015)

I've always found it a lot easier to use a drill bit as a measuring point when setting the timing w/ a straight edge.

Get a meter or test light, a 21/64” drill bit (*** see below) & a metal straight edge. Put the distributor face down w/ the condenser on the left & the timing plate lock screw on the bottom. Look at the end of the shaft: it has a narrow side & a wide side. Make sure you can tell the difference. Now, place the drill bit in the bottom mounting hole (this will be your reference point for measuring). Next, place a straight edge on the wide side of the tang on the shaft as shown in fig. FO83 in the picture. Rotate the shaft CCW (as viewed from rotor side OR CW as viewed from back/tang side) until the straight edge is ¼" beyond the outside edge of the drill bit you stuck in the distributor mounting hole. At this distance, the distributor points should start to open (get your meter/light out now & check). If not, loosen the timing plate lock screw and turn to advance or retard the timing (move the plate down to advance timing, up to retard). Remember, each one of those little hash marks represents about 4° of timing. Keep adjusting until you get the proper ¼" setting. (if the plate won’t move, you might need to remove the big C clip to loosen it a bit) As you’re adjusting, eliminate backlash by turning the shaft backwards (CW as viewed from the front) and bring the shaft forward (CCW as viewed from the front) to measure your setting. This ¼" setting will get you static timing at top dead center.

As you can see from the picture, this particular distributor needed to have the timing advanced by about 8° (two hash marks) to achieve the ¼” measurement.

After you set the points & timing, do a continuity check before you put the distributor back on the tractor. Before you start, make sure your meter/light works.

With the distributor still off the tractor, follow these steps:

1. Coil off, cap off, points open. One probe on the brass screw & the other on both sides of the open points. On the side closest to the cam, you should have continuity. Not on the other side! If you do, you will also have continuity everywhere because the points are grounded.

2. Coil off, cap off, points open. One probe on the brass screw & the other anywhere on the body of the distributor. You should have no continuity! Now, rotate the tang on the distributor....as the points open & close, you have continuity (closed) and lose it when they open.

3. Put the coil on the distributor, cap off, points open. One probe on the lead on the top of the coil, the other on the cam side of the open points. You should have continuity!

4. Coil on, cap off, points open. One probe on the lead on the top of the coil, the other anywhere on the body of the distributor. You should have no continuity!

At this point, I just put the distributor, coil & cap all back on the tractor as a unit. The reason I do this is because it is real easy to get the cap or coil misaligned trying to put it back together, one piece at a time. The result is something gets broken or you get a ‘no spark’ problem.
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Get a meter or test light, a 21/64” drill bit (*** see below) & a metal straight edge. Put the distributor face down w/ the condenser on the left & the timing plate lock screw on the bottom. Look at the end of the shaft: it has a narrow side & a wide side. Make sure you can tell the difference. Now, place the drill bit in the bottom mounting hole (this will be your reference point for measuring). Next, place a straight edge on the wide side of the tang on the shaft as shown in fig. FO83 in the picture. Rotate the shaft CCW (as viewed from rotor side OR CW as viewed from back/tang side) until the straight edge is ¼" beyond the outside edge of the drill bit you stuck in the distributor mounting hole. At this distance, the distributor points should start to open (get your meter/light out now & check).

Bruce: question? At this distance, the points should start to open. Ok, when checking this with a continuity tester; is it at this distance that the tester just looses continuity or could they be more open than that? The reason I ask is the dist i am working on now, it appears that the only way I can get it at this distance is to fully advance the adjustment as far as it will go. Perhaps this is 2 questions.
 
never mind. I made a jig to hold the tangs in the correct position. i beleive I had them less than 1/4 inch from bolt hole requiring more advance to "just open".
 
Ok today I removed carb adjusted float gave it a once over
Removed dist cleaned and adj my timing issue
Checked battery polarized gen and it started and ran good
with out charger
Thanks to all that have helped you guys rule !!!
 
" I made a jig to hold the tangs in the correct position."

Which is why a jig is a nice tool to have. Measuring that 1/4" by eyeball is not easy.

And "just opening" by eyeball is even harder. That's why I use a meter. As soon as the meter goes off, that's "just opening".
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Thats exactly what I did. As you suggest, I used a meter to show an open circuit as I adjust the advance.

tnx
 

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