TOHs----Research goes down the drain--Must see

(quoted from post at 16:33:11 02/15/15) Wink---(o-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhVo7-
gzJo4
really have no idea what you are talking about, but if implying that the video shows simple old oil, that would be incorrect. A sealed can of 50 year old oil looks just like it did 50 years ago.
It likely shows well used/dirty/water contaminated oil.
 
(quoted from post at 16:43:22 02/15/15)
(quoted from post at 16:33:11 02/15/15) Wink---(o-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhVo7-
gzJo4
really have no idea what you are talking about, but if implying that the video shows simple old oil, that would be incorrect. A sealed can of 50 year old oil looks just like it did 50 years ago.
It likely shows well used/dirty/water contaminated oil.

I'm guessing something related to a quart of gasoline evaporating overnight...

TOH
 
(quoted from post at 17:12:26 02/15/15)
(quoted from post at 16:43:22 02/15/15)
(quoted from post at 16:33:11 02/15/15) Wink---(o-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhVo7-
gzJo4
really have no idea what you are talking about, but if implying that the video shows simple old oil, that would be incorrect. A sealed can of 50 year old oil looks just like it did 50 years ago.
It likely shows well used/dirty/water contaminated oil.

I'm guessing something related to a quart of gasoline evaporating overnight...

TOH
Not sure, but I'd love to have the car. [b:6ce9e9f999]Model A[/b:6ce9e9f999]
 
What's your point? That an old oil pan has sludge in it?

The 50 8N I just pulled down had at least 1/2 inch of sludge in it. And I have changed the oil in it at least 3 times since I bought it in 2012.
 
(quoted from post at 16:43:22 02/15/15)
(quoted from post at 16:33:11 02/15/15) Wink---(o-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhVo7-
gzJo4
really have no idea what you are talking about, but if implying that the video shows simple old oil, that would be incorrect. A sealed can of 50 year old oil looks just like it did 50 years ago.
It likely shows well used/dirty/water contaminated oil.

Depending on what sort of additive package (if any) the blender used you might see some settling or separation after 50 years sitting on the shelf. Probably nothing a good shake before punching the top wouldn't fix ;-)

Like you I have no idea what the video is supposed to show. I've seen more than one like that....

TOH
 

That didn't happen cause the oil sat 50 years. Heck it would look the same if it sat there 100 x 50 years
That happened cause the car was driven for who knows how many years without an oil change.

I have a few cans of oil that are over 50 years old. Given to me by an old timer (God I miss him) over 25 years ago just before he passed. Guarantee you it looks like the day it was put in that can. AND NO...I ain't opening the cans.
 
I did not see the video. With that said, there was a study about twenty years back showing brake fluid shipped in plastic containers would absorb 30% water(by weight) while still sealed in the page. No I do not think oil will change, I have some at least ten years oil on the shelf,but I do worry about moister through the can.(or air in a setting motor.)
 
(quoted from post at 20:41:19 02/15/15) I did not see the video. With that said, there was a study about twenty years back showing brake fluid shipped in plastic containers would absorb 30% water(by weight) while still sealed in the page. No I do not think oil will change, I have some at least ten years oil on the shelf,but I do worry about moister through the can.(or air in a setting motor.)

I had always figured the shelf life of an unopened container of brake fluid was more or less indefinite but a little Google fishing showed otherwise. The answers I found varied from OEM to OEM and product to product but they are all in the 2-5 year range.

Just goes to show that if you keep an open mind you learn something new every day.

TOH
 

Believe this or not . . .
Thirty three years ago, I had my brake system gutted on my '51 van and decided to see if silicone brake fluid was as good as it was being touted as being. I haven't driven it in 10 years now so it has just been sitting and believe it or not I still have pedal and braking!! Not absorbing moisture was said to be one of the reasons for its superiority.

I have not [b:cc35c63cd8]touched[/b:cc35c63cd8] the brakes other than to peel back the front dust covers to scrape out some crud and stuff the rubbers with Sylglide silicone grease.

Same with my '54 IHC but only twenty years or so on THAT silicone conversion. But, I did have to add to the master and haven't gotten around to finding the source of the leak yet.
 
Yes the sludge and the motor isnt long gone. The oil still had lubricating properties despite its condition. My other point was directed to TOH because of his interest in lubes and motor oil and its break down as to its ability to perform in this condition.
 
(quoted from post at 21:42:07 02/15/15) Yes the sludge and the motor isnt long gone. The oil still had lubricating properties despite its condition. My other point was directed to TOH because of his interest in lubes and motor oil and its break down as to its ability to perform in this condition.

Here is another data point for you. The local garage owner was just telling me last week about a lady who called him to come tow her car because it died on the road. When he got it and her to the shop and checked it out he discovered she had never had the engine oil changed in the 85K miles since she bought it new. New engine was going to run about $4k. I wonder how long it would have run with fresh oil in it?????

I won't tell you what he thought of her idea that all you needed to do was keep it full.....

TOH
 
(quoted from post at 05:30:29 02/16/15)
Believe this or not . . .
Thirty three years ago, I had my brake system gutted on my '51 van and decided to see if silicone brake fluid was as good as it was being touted as being. I haven't driven it in 10 years now so it has just been sitting and believe it or not I still have pedal and braking!! Not absorbing moisture was said to be one of the reasons for its superiority.

I have not [b:4221593747]touched[/b:4221593747] the brakes other than to peel back the front dust covers to scrape out some crud and stuff the rubbers with Sylglide silicone grease.

Same with my '54 IHC but only twenty years or so on THAT silicone conversion. But, I did have to add to the master and haven't gotten around to finding the source of the leak yet.

Moisture does get into the system its the nature of the beast...
The issue with dot 5 is the moisture puddles up in one spot and eats away at that spot... Either way sooner are later you will have a issue...

Were I buy Vintage brake parts that use stainless steel inserts in the calipers they will void the life time warranty if dot 5 is use for just that reason... They tell me they can tell if dot 5 was used just for the reason I posted...

I don't use dot 5 anymore but would luv to cuzz I have 6 gal on hand.. Brake pedal feel suffers with it along with other issues... If you are happy that's all that counts... Either way its best to have the system flushed with the equipment to do it every 2/3 years...

European manufacturers have pushed flushing brake fluid for years and its catching on here...
 
My B-in-L had a datsun he would take the filter
out- new filter and top the oil off and he never
had a problem that I knew of. I am glad you
understood my post the way I meant it to be, and
not a taunt--- it was a sincere can you believe
this with all the knowledge you have of the
subject. Most engines would not have held up
under this treatment.
 
My point was I never have seen anything close to
that and I though most here have not. How many
have you seen like that that ran.
 
(quoted from post at 23:31:20 02/15/15) My point was I never have seen anything close to
that and I though most here have not. How many
have you seen like that that ran.
K, so you haven't seen everything. Guess what? None of us have & that proves nothing!
 
" The oil still had lubricating properties despite its condition."

Seriously?

So I'm guessing that you also believe that frequent oil changes are just another money making scam by the automotive industry?

Here is one of many articles on the topic. Some get pretty technical. A little education on the topic might change your mind.
Oil Change
 
-15 F here this morning....bet my clean as a whistle oil in my old tractors is thicker than that. LOL

joking aside, looks pretty normal from the price range of tractors I buy.
even if the oil has been changed before I bought it, that sludge in the pan will be there.
Tractors I keep get the pan pulled, no exceptions, for this reason.
Like the guys said, many, many tractors out there....good runners, fixed up, prettied up, pan never pulled.........sludge [i:0625d5be39]will[/i:0625d5be39] be in there.

With that said, on an old worker, I wouldn't wring my hands and fret much. change the oil and filter.
Areas away from the pickup, the sludge usually just lays there.
 
(quoted from post at 17:45:10 02/16/15) Old Quaker State!

Zane

I quit using Quaker State in 1971 after I lost all upper end lubrication in my six cylinder 1960 Falcon. The sludge formation was so bad it had completley clogged the oil gallery coming up to the head. I'm told QS is much better now but I still won't buy it ;-)

TOH
 
(quoted from post at 03:19:34 02/17/15)
(quoted from post at 17:45:10 02/16/15) Old Quaker State!

Zane

I quit using Quaker State in 1971 after I lost all upper end lubrication in my six cylinder 1960 Falcon. The sludge formation was so bad it had completley clogged the oil gallery coming up to the head. I'm told QS is much better now but I still won't buy it ;-)

TOH

I started using QS in the mid 70's and never had a issue with it...
I ran a 72 chebby Monte-carlo 300K when I tore it down it was extremely clean with no unusual ware other than the rings...

Old engines did not have a descent crankcase vent and sucked in lots of contamination and had issues getting rid of contaminates produced in the combustion process .... Starting with the PCV system they did have a descent filtered crankcase vent and are able to recycle contaminates produced ...

Other than a few rare modern engines that will sludge up I still think sludge normally can be pined to lack of maintenance... Pay me now are pay me later :lol:
 
"I still think sludge normally can be pined to lack of maintenance"

I agree. With the possible exception of under temp. Although that
in itself may be pinned to lack of normal maintenance in some cases.
 

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