Troubleshooting protocol - electrical

OK, having pretty well figured out the fuel system, the rear seals/brakes, and rebuilding the hydraulics, just when I really needed the tractor (30" of snow) she died. No spark at plug. I know its been discussed many times, but couldn't find what I was looking for, which is the recommended troubleshooting flow when you've confirmed no spark.
Details: 48 8N, 6V front mount. Was running well and died suddenly just as I was getting going. Has been running well.
 
Was running well and died - no spark - snow.

Most likely moisture in the distributor. Maybe you will get lucky - remove the cap and dry out with a hair drier. Replace cap and check for spark. There are gaskets on that dist to prevent moisture from getting in. Sometimes they get left off.
 
The F/M dist is famous for getting moisture under and around the dist cap. Take a hair dryer and dry it out. Make sure the cap gasket is sealing properly. No gas around hot dryer.
 
Normally, the first step to check w/ a " it was running & now no spark" problem is to confirm battery voltage at the top of the coil (and about half that w/ the points closed)

But, it's a front mount & you're pushing snow.

So, the first thing you do is order new gaskets.

Then dry out the distributor!
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Thanks guys. Let me try that. Though to clarify, it wasn't snowing then an tractor has been stored in the barn. So moisture shouldn't have currently been getting in there. It's outside and tapped now as it was away from the barn when it died.
 
OK, thanks for the clarification.

Then it's time for the "plain vanilla" front mount troubleshooting protocol.

Assuming that the bushings & advance weights are ok (*see below), & that you have correct voltage to the coil (battery voltage with the points open and about half that with the points closed), the most common electrical failure (no spark, weak spark) points on the front mount are:

1. The insulator under the brass concave head screw & where the copper strip attaches. (it’s fiber & will wear out; poke & prod w/ your meter leads to make sure it still works) If you need to replace the insulator, use a .250 x 3/8 nylon square nylon anchor nut available at most big box home stores

2. The pigtail at the bottom of the coil not making contact w/ the concave head brass screw inside the distributor. (With the coil on, the pigtail must firmly contact the brass screw. No contact = no spark

3. The copper strip is broken or grounded to the plate. (look very carefully for cracks & breaks).

4. The condenser wire grounding to the plate or side of the distributor.

5. The tab on the bottom of the coil not making contact w/ the brass button on the cap. (With the cap on, the tab must firmly contact the brass button. No contact = no spark.)

6. Incorrect positioning of the spring clip on the plate causing the pigtail to ground. (the open part of the clip goes between 7 & 9 o’clock on the plate. That puts the straight part of the clip opposite of the timing screw at 3 o’clock)

7. Incorrect seating of the coil on the distributor due to a loose bail or no gasket.(the coil must not move at all; if it does, replace the gasket or bail. Or stick some cardboard under the bail).

8. Water/moisture inside the cap due to gasket failure or the absence of a gasket. (the cap AND coil have gaskets)

9. Dirty/corroded/burned/incorrectly gapped or misaligned points. I use only Wells, Blue Streak or Echlin brand points (* *see below).

10. Burned rotor, cracked/carbon tracked cap.

After find the problem & re-check the point gap, do a continuity check before you put the distributor back on the tractor.

Before you start, make sure your meter/light works.

With the distributor still off the tractor, follow these steps:

1. Coil off, cap off, points open. One probe on the brass screw & the other on both sides of the open points. On the side closest to the cam, you should have continuity. Not on the other side! If you do, you will also have continuity everywhere because the points are grounded.

2. Coil off, cap off, points open. One probe on the brass screw & the other anywhere on the body of the distributor. You should have no continuity! Now, rotate the tang on the distributor....as the points open & close, you have continuity (closed) and lose it when they open.

3. Put the coil on the distributor, cap off, points open. One probe on the lead on the top of the coil, the other on the cam side of the open points. You should have continuity!

4. Coil on, cap off, points open. One probe on the lead on the top of the coil, the other anywhere on the body of the distributor. You should have no continuity!

At this point, I just put the distributor, coil & cap all back on the tractor as a unit. The reason I do this is because it is real easy to get the cap or coil misaligned trying to put it back together, one piece at a time. The result is something gets broken or you get a ‘no spark’ problem.

It's possible to put it back on wrong & break it. Look at the slot on the end of the cam shaft. Whatever angle it happens to be, turn the distributor tang to match it. Make sure you can tell the wide side from the narrow side on both the cam & distributor! (close counts). Place the distributor on the front of the engine, gently push it in place & slowly turn the distributor body until you feel the tang slip into the slot. Rotate the distributor body until the bolt holes line up. Hand tighten the two bolts until the distributor body is flush with the timing gear cover.


* Unscrew the plate hold down screw & remove the C clip to get the plate out. Remove the shaft & weights. The weights should freely move.



* *NAPA part numbers:

• Points: FD-6769X
• Condenser: FD-71
• Rotor: FD-104
• Cap: FD-126
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The best way to dry out a distributor that has moisture in it is to apply pure oxygn into the distributor. On the front mount lift the coil off and stick the cutting torch in and blow pure oxygen into the distributor.

DUH! Of course no acetylene or propane etc. Just oxygen.

I learned this trick when I was master mechanic on about 50 pieces of equipment on a big consrtuction job.
An old iron worker showed me how while I was trying to start his welder on a cold wet morning

Works every time.


Zane
 
This is perfect. When this blizzard stops and I get the snow dealt with, I'll get out and try some of this.
Thanks again all who responded.
 

Great tip!

Hmmm . . . H2O + O2

The O2 must join the O2 of the water
setting the Hydrogen free.
 
(quoted from post at 18:54:38 01/27/15)
Great tip!

Hmmm . . . H2O + O2

The O2 must join the O2 of the water
setting the Hydrogen free.

More likely just the effect of some very dry compressed "air" to blow out water droplets and help speed evaporation....

TOH
 
(quoted from post at 15:54:38 01/27/15)
Great tip!

Hmmm . . . H2O + O2

The O2 must join the O2 of the water
setting the Hydrogen free.

It also works well on hangovers.
 
(quoted from post at 18:54:38 01/27/15)
Great tip!

Hmmm . . . H2O + O2

The O2 must join the O2 of the water
setting the Hydrogen free.

Tall that makes for some interesting lyrics.
But I do love the way you analyzed it scientifically.
 
Yes, there's no chemical reaction going on (former chemist here). You're just using a dry gas to blow out and pick up any moisture. Cool trick just the same.
 

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