another 8 N not starting

So , I am not sure where to start, not exactly sure of the year and somebody else has been into it, it has a key switch and has been changed to a 12v, I am 53 so I have had distributor cars in the past but tractoring is new to me, I guess the first question would be what is the easiest way to work on the points without actually pulling the dist. so wondering if my system is correct although it ran this past summer and now cranks and poofs but no start, so my wires are battery to solenoid mounted on the starter and grounded small wire to key sw. simple off/run/start then to the fusible link [ small ceramic thing ]then to the coil which only has one wire going in there is no visible wire going the the dist. cap, inside of cap is clean and dry and contacts at where the rotor are made are clean and not burned, so I am thinking points but on my old 71' mopar the dist. was pointed up, so how do I set the points without actually beeing able to see them.
 
" I guess the first question would be what is the easiest way to work on the points without actually pulling the dist."

I assume you are asking that question because the distributor is on the front of the engine, right? Well, it needs to come off. And, at 53, you're not old enough to remember the old V-8 fords w/ the same type of distributor.

The first thing you need to do is get a set of manuals. See tip # 39 at the link.

" the fusible link [ small ceramic thing "

That's not a fusable link. It's an ignition resistor. And it is causing you a weak spark. See tip # 30 at the link. You need to remove it & only use the OEM ballast resistor w/ a 12 volt coil.

The front distributor was designed to come off of the tractor to replace/adjust the points. To do this, remove the wire on the coil, remove the coil bail, remove the distributor cap & take the two bolts off. The base of the distributor has an offset tang & can only go back one way unless you really force it on.

The first thing you need to check is bushing wear. If the shaft has any sideways movement AT ALL, the bushings must be replaced. (see below)

Next, look at how the points & condenser are set in the distributor before you start pulling it down! Turn the tang & observe how the points open & close. If this is your first time doing it, draw a sketch! Make sure you are using quality points. I use only Wells, Blue Streak or Echlin brand points (* see below). Be careful not to ground the tip of the condenser wire to the body of the distributor when you replace the points. Do not break the little copper strip that go to the points. (If you do, make another out of the old set of points). Also, make sure the condenser wire does not go through the same opening in the distributor as the coil pig tail. The condenser wire goes through the opening on the top right.

Look at the old points; are they burned, pitted or misaligned? Check the point gap, .015 on all four lobes. Make sure the blade is at a perfect right angle to the points. You want to feel just the slightest bit of drag when you pull the blade through the points. Set the points on the high side of the cam and ensure they align correctly. Make sure you have the star washers under the screws on the points. If you need to replace the 8-32 X .19 fillister head screws, ensure that the new screws do not interfere with the advance weights. Dress the points by running a piece of card stock or a brown paper bag through them. New points sometimes have an anti-corrosive dielectric coating on them & old points can corrode or pick up grease from a dirty feeler gauge or excessive cam lubricant. And, don’t forget to lube the rubbing block w/ cam lube; not Vaseline, not bearing grease, but cam lube (** see below).

If you are using quality points and cannot get the gap to pen to .015, chances are you need to replace the bushings.


After you set the points, do a continuity check before you put the distributor back on the tractor.

Before you start, make sure your meter/light works.

With the distributor still off the tractor, follow these steps:

1. Coil off, cap off, points open. One probe on the brass screw & the other on both sides of the open points. On the side closest to the cam, you should have continuity. Not on the other side! If you do, you will also have continuity everywhere because the points are grounded.

2. Coil off, cap off, points open. One probe on the brass screw & the other anywhere on the body of the distributor. You should have no continuity! Now, rotate the tang on the distributor....as the points open & close, you have continuity (closed) and lose it when they open.

3. Put the coil on the distributor, cap off, points open. One probe on the lead on the top of the coil, the other on the cam side of the open points. You should have continuity!

4. Coil on, cap off, points open. One probe on the lead on the top of the coil, the other anywhere on the body of the distributor. You should have no continuity!

At this point, I just put the distributor, coil & cap all back on the tractor as a unit. The reason I do this is because it is real easy to get the cap or coil misaligned trying to put it back together, one piece at a time. The result is something gets broken or you get a ‘no spark’ problem.

It's possible to put it back on wrong & break it. Look at the slot on the end of the cam shaft. Whatever angle it happens to be, turn the distributor tang to match it. Make sure you can tell the wide side from the narrow side on both the cam & distributor! (close counts). Place the distributor on the front of the engine, gently push it in place & slowly turn the distributor body until you feel the tang slip into the slot. Rotate the distributor body until the bolt holes line up. Hand tighten the two bolts until the distributor body is flush with the timing gear cover.

Double-check your firing order & plug wires. It’s 1-2-4-3, counterclockwise. It’s very easy to cross 3 & 4.

And finally, do not forget to remove the distributor on an annual basis (more often, depending on use) to check the point gap and re-lube the cam.


* NAPA part numbers:
• Points: FD-6769X
• Condenser: FD-71
• Rotor: FD-104
• Cap: FD-126


** Distributor cam lube:
http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/Result.aspx?Ntt=ECH+ML1&Ntk=Keyword&Nty=1&Dn=0&D=ECH+ML1&Dk=1&Dp=3&N=0


** Distributor cam lube
http://www.carquest.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/subcategory__10151_-1_10651_11340


**** Unscrew the plate hold down screw & remove the C clip to get the plate out. Remove the shaft & weights. The weights should freely move.


There are three ways to replace the bushings in a front distributor:

1. Buy new bushings (part numbers 9N12120 front & 18-12132 rear). Press out the old ones, press in the new ones and ream to fit. CAUTION: do not try this unless you have a press & know how to use it. If you break the base, a new one costs $130. If you bend the tower which holds the front bushing, a new plate will cost you $30.

2. Take the new bushings and distributor to your local machine shop.

3. Send the distributor out for bushing replacement if you do not have a local machine shop.
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Welcome to the forum!
You are describing a front mount distributor. One wire on top,
no coil wire, four nipple cap mounted under the coil.
Two bolts and it comes right off to work on it on the bench.
Or kitchen table as Dell(WA) says. ;)

They were put on the 8N's from 1947/8 to early 1950 models.
The serial number on your block will tell you what year yours is.

Later 8N's had what you would think of as a more recognizable
distributor, cap pops off the top, coil wire comes from a round
can coil mounted separately, gear drive on the bottom.

No need to worry about taking the front mount distributor off.
It has an offset tang instead of a gear drive.
It will only go on one way without breaking it, so no worries
about getting it perfectly timed or being one tooth off.

Bruce has done a great job getting you going in the right direction.
Also check out John Smith's website [b:63ba70832f]here[/b:63ba70832f] for all the identifying information.

Let us know how it turns out!
 
If you haven't already done so,get a manual. They
are available on this site and other places. The
manual will show you how to fix your distributor. I
have a set of bushings for it,as you have to buy two
pair of bushings when you buy them. I pulled
mine,but I've been wrenching a long time and on some
bizarre machines. lha
 
"I guess the first question would be what is the easiest way to work
on the points without actually pulling the dist."
Not a bad question. I had known people to remove the hood and
Radiator to replace points. And when I told the story on here others
told stories of others and even Dealership that did the same thing.
While it can be a little bit of a burger to remove the distributor.
Once removed it is very easy to work on.
 
thanks to all for your generous help as she is running again, the snow is gone for now but she will be needed once it returns, which I am sure wont be long, I will be back asking for more info as I see that I have some milky colored oil which I am thinking that I need anew head gasket, I also have and would consider selling a hydraulic bucket thing which is welded to the frame, home made of course but not by me it is nice to have sometimes but as I have no power steering it is rather a pain, but the main thing is the she runs again, thank you for your help, steve
 
Glad to hear you got it going and thanks for letting us know!
Got a picture of that "hydraulic bucket thing"?
 
" I have some milky colored oil which I am thinking that I need anew head gasket,"

Considering that it's a flathead engine w/o any oil lines in the head, it's pretty hard to get water in the oil.

Chances are it's just condensation.

Does it have a t-stat installed? See tip # 25 at the link. If it doesn't have a t-stat, it needs one.
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(quoted from post at 15:14:53 11/30/14) Glad to hear you got it going and thanks for letting us know!
Got a picture of that "hydraulic bucket thing"?
ure I will get one in the daylight, I have the bucket off currently , the frame is still on the tractor and will have to be cut off as it is welded on it adds quit a bit of weight and as I dont have power steering its a pain in my butt.
 

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