Radius Rod Question

fubar2

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One was bent at one time and was cut and rewelded. It measures 1/16 th shorter than the other. I got the other one into the socket and the pin in it. Went to put the rewelded one on and it looks to be 1/4 inch to long when held up to the socket and with the pin in. When I bought the tractor an 8n the pivot pin in the axle was worn badly and I replaced it. Ok question is, is there a trick to tweaking the axle enough to get the rod back in or do I cut it and reweld it to a length that will work? I haven't started the engine yet after rebuilding it and all I can come up with is a 4x4 and jack between the front and rear tire to push that side of the axle forward enough to get it to fit. Some answer would be appreciated because the mirth has done left the building here. I did get it to go back in once before but have since replaced the axle pivot pin and bushings.
 

Now that you have R&R'd the pin, I would definitely restore the radius rod to it's proper length.
 

It is 1/16 of an inch shorter right now than the other one that appears to have never been altered. I nearly decided last night to shorten it more to make it fit but I am reluctant to do it. I was hoping that someone else had run into this before and go by what they did. Some thing has got to give either the axle has to tweak or the rod has to get shortened, I can't see any other way to do it. I flipped it last night with the same results, top edge down and down edge up and it is still 1/4 inch long. Unless they used two different lengths at the factory I don't know.
 

I haven't had mine apart yet and have never had any radius rods off before.

But I just went out to have a look at mine and it seems that the ball end is capped onto the rod. I wonder what it would take to have adjustable rods at the ball end . . . or if length adjustments could be best made by somehow pulling the rod apart at that joint (heat and a pipe wrench?)

But that point may be where people cut them anyway . . . I think that's the point I would choose unless the short cap section is a way lighter guage than the rest of the rod -- in which case you'd want the heavier rod well inside the cap for strength. Maybe gas cutting a thin slit along the cap to get it off . . . then adjust and weld the slit back up like when I've taken stubborn exhaust piping apart that I wanted to reuse.

Everyone else is being silent so that I make a total fool of myself. :D
 
(quoted from post at 23:27:40 10/06/14) One was bent at one time and was cut and rewelded. It measures 1/16 th shorter than the other. I got the other one into the socket and the pin in it. Went to put the rewelded one on and it looks to be 1/4 inch to long when held up to the socket and with the pin in. When I bought the tractor an 8n the pivot pin in the axle was worn badly and I replaced it. Ok question is, is there a trick to tweaking the axle enough to get the rod back in or do I cut it and reweld it to a length that will work? I haven't started the engine yet after rebuilding it and all I can come up with is a 4x4 and jack between the front and rear tire to push that side of the axle forward enough to get it to fit. Some answer would be appreciated because the mirth has done left the building here. I did get it to go back in once before but have since replaced the axle pivot pin and bushings.

A difference of 1/16" won't make a shred of difference. Are you sure you have the spacers in the proper position on the pivot pin?

TOH
 
I agree with TOH. You have a bent front axle or your spacers around the king pin are off or you don't have the right arms. There is a hell of a lot more slop than 1/16" found that on the front axle just by its design.

There was an excellent thread on this site which concerned itself with all the various radius arms i.e 8n, 9n 2n and 600's and their lengths. I just can't seem to find it
 
I actually like your reply Tall T. I hadn't thought of making the rod adjustable. It will most likely be what I do.

Who ever spoke of another thread on various lengths wish I could read it.

Nah the axle pin bushings are in right place. I suspect some previous owner el kabonged it in the right front at one time or another, it would have taken a good pow to bend the rod that much. Like mabe crashing into a tree or something.

Anyways thanks all. I'll keep scratching my head another day or so then do whatever I wind up doing.
 

Royce yes that's the one. I had just found it as you had responded. I remembered that I had printed this thread out and put it in my 8N binder but my binder happens to be about 120 miles away from me.
 
(reply to post at 14:59:56 10/07/14)
Your not following me. It is 1/16 inch shorter than the other rod now but still 1/4 inch too long to fit between the socket and pin on that side. It evidently is a bent ft. axle.
 
(quoted from post at 14:59:56 10/07/14)
(quoted from post at 23:27:40 10/06/14) One was bent at one time and was cut and rewelded. It measures 1/16 th shorter than the other. I got the other one into the socket and the pin in it. Went to put the rewelded one on and it looks to be 1/4 inch to long when held up to the socket and with the pin in. When I bought the tractor an 8n the pivot pin in the axle was worn badly and I replaced it. Ok question is, is there a trick to tweaking the axle enough to get the rod back in or do I cut it and reweld it to a length that will work? I haven't started the engine yet after rebuilding it and all I can come up with is a 4x4 and jack between the front and rear tire to push that side of the axle forward enough to get it to fit. Some answer would be appreciated because the mirth has done left the building here. I did get it to go back in once before but have since replaced the axle pivot pin and bushings.

A difference of 1/16" won't make a shred of difference. Are you sure you have the spacers in the proper position on the pivot pin?

TOH

I'm with TOH. a 1/16? more play than that in most caps.
Jack the front til the weight is just starting to come off it.
put your foot against the axle on that side and give it a nudge and pop that rod in.
While your pin is new, this is SOP when working with radius rods with worn components.
leave that weight on the front when it's worn, and take that radius cap off and that rod will give you a whack.
 
(quoted from post at 23:27:11 10/07/14)
(reply to post at 14:59:56 10/07/14)

I am following you. It is 1/16th shorter than the undamaged rod which is a non-issue if everything else is right. If the center section of the the axle is bent get a good used one and get the steering geometry right.

TOH
 

Something like that was what I was hoping to hear when I posted this. I'm gonna give it a try in the next few days, never had much to do with wide front before.


TOH, gotcha, I wasn't following you but think I see the light now. I'm not worried about the wear on the ball and socket, I'm just trying to get it back together.
 

Tell ya what Gears, I am not out of reach of Akron. I'm near Mansfield and if they are off an 8n and your not in a big hurry and give me an idea of a price eventually and I'm talking within a couple months I'll be over to pick em up.
 

Can anybody tell me how to enable private messaging? I need to get in touch with Gears, who is another member here and it is showing messaging to be disabled on both my end and his I think. I don't know if I just didn't click something when I joined or if the whole site is shut down as far as the messaging. I've tried and can't see a way to get messaging on my end enabled. I'm not so intelligent when it comes to computers so I may just not be noticing how to do it.
 
The actual "PM" button doesn't work.
If you're using classic view you can type in your
email address just under your name and then it
will show as "Send Email" to other classic view
users instead of "No email".
If using modern view, there is a setting in your
profile to always show your email as open.
I set that along time ago so I don't remember what
you have to do to enable it on a single post.
 
Sorry fubar, been busy email mantalekATkentDOTedu

I'm not in any hurry

One's nice, the other got reinforced when on loader duty...

$50 sound fair? If not make me an offer.

I'm one exit East of Summitracing off 76E
 

Gears, my old job required me going to Ravenna from time to time some years ago. Is Summit on Rt. 70 and your exit the same one that goes into Ravenna? If so my nose will bring me there if I can remember the zigs and zags. Price sounds decent enough but I really only need one if you will reduce your inventory by half for half your price its only a matter of me finding time to get there. Not sure I deciphered your email address so if you will try mine I'd appreciate it mudpuppy3@@@msn.c. Do it with one @ and om at the end. I will throw in my old one for scrap or whatever you'd like to do with it.
 

I overlooked the Rt. 76 till now, its been a good twenty years since I've been there but I'm sure I can find it.
 

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