grinding when PTO engages

dogsled1

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I have no experience with the 8N that I am trying to get into usable shape.
I ran it today for the first time, tried to check it out as best I could. The pto disengages no problem, but is makes a grinding noise like gears trying to mesh when it is first engaged. Is that normal or indicative of a problem?
 
are you using the clutch when you try to engage the pto?

is there thrust play inthe shaft? ( in and out )
 

No, I did not use the clutch when engaging PTO. I have a manual on order, but have not received it yet.

There was no play in the shaft that I could detect.
 
it is a mechanical non live pto.

not sure what you expected to happen just jambing gears together with no clutch.........
 
(quoted from post at 17:29:11 09/02/14) it is a mechanical non live pto.

not sure what you expected to happen just jambing gears together with no clutch.........


I'm not sure what I expected either.
Actually what I thought was that it was hydraulic since the hydraulics will not work without the PTO engaged.

What little experience I have on tractors is on MUCH newer equipment. Next time I'll use the clutch.
 
While you are learning, I would not shift gears while the tractor is moving. Select what gear you want and start out in it. Some will say they shift all the time while moving but unless you REALLY know what you are doing, don't do it. It is real easy to chip gear teeth in these transmissions. I got a used trans to put in one of my 8ns and had to replace several of the gears because they were chipped.
Hope you ordered the operators manual as well as the service manual!

Enjoy your tractor but try not to abuse it too much! :)
 
(quoted from post at 19:10:06 09/02/14) While you are learning, I would not shift gears while the tractor is moving. Select what gear you want and start out in it. Some will say they shift all the time while moving but unless you REALLY know what you are doing, don't do it. It is real easy to chip gear teeth in these transmissions. I got a used trans to put in one of my 8ns and had to replace several of the gears because they were chipped.
Hope you ordered the operators manual as well as the service manual!

Enjoy your tractor but try not to abuse it too much! :)

Thanks for the tips. Obviously I have a lot to learn. :oops:
 
Since the Hyds don't work without pto engaged, it would stand to reason that the pto was not hyd, that would be a classic chicken/egg problem.

Pto is mechanical, hydro pump is mounted in center section , pto passes thru pump and drives it as it spins. If you ever have to drop the pump, pto must come out first, etc.
 
(quoted from post at 19:38:55 09/02/14)
(quoted from post at 19:10:06 09/02/14) While you are learning, I would not shift gears while the tractor is moving. Select what gear you want and start out in it. Some will say they shift all the time while moving but unless you REALLY know what you are doing, don't do it. It is real easy to chip gear teeth in these transmissions. I got a used trans to put in one of my 8ns and had to replace several of the gears because they were chipped.
Hope you ordered the operators manual as well as the service manual!

Enjoy your tractor but try not to abuse it too much! :)

Thanks for the tips. Obviously I have a lot to learn. :oops:

Don't worry about it.
There was a first tractor, picking up a wrench for the first time, .....for everybody........
Even when everything on your tractor is right, it's good to get a 'feel' for them.
Shifting anything old into gear, gotta wait for the 'spin-down' after clutching, gently moving the lever slowly, you will feel the gear turning thru the shifter. When you feel it stop, shift.
Takes a minute, sure, but it only takes a split second to break teeth if you jam it in.....
 
(quoted from post at 01:15:32 09/03/14)
No, I did not use the clutch when engaging PTO. I have a manual on order, but have not received it yet.

There was no play in the shaft that I could detect.

We all started sometime.
 
Thanks for the tips. Obviously I have a lot to learn. :oops:[/quote]ttps://forumphotos.yesterdaystractors.com/photos/mvphoto10669.jpg[/img]

This photo is my tractor. The Live PTO lever is broken off!
the previous owner didn't tell me that and I'm not sure he even knew . . . and I was just as clueless.:D

mvphoto10670.jpg
 
What do you expect? He obviously didn't know he needed to step on the clutch, maybe you dont mean for some of your replies to come off as you being a jerk but many of them do. Some people dont know and that's why they ask questions, to learn not to get talked to like they are stupid. I am not someone that replies alot on here because usually the information they get is good but man someone that has a genuine question more times than not has to put up with someone trying to make them feel like an idiot for asking.
 
(quoted from post at 14:45:32 09/03/14) What do you expect? He obviously didn't know he needed to step on the clutch, maybe you dont mean for some of your replies to come off as you being a jerk but many of them do. Some people dont know and that's why they ask questions, to learn not to get talked to like they are stupid. I am not someone that replies alot on here because usually the information they get is good but man someone that has a genuine question more times than not has to put up with someone trying to make them feel like an idiot for asking.

X2
 
Before I ever drive a vehicle or tractor I knew that you couldn't mesh a spinning part and a nin spinning part without something slipping or grinding.

This I basic middle school understanding I how things in our world work.
 
The naa lpto was a hyd actuated pinion clutch for the drivetrain!

Pto was still mechanical and slamming oto into gear with engine running and a load on the pro would make it grind just the same, the lpto actually clutches between granny and rear end, stopping ground propulsion, not stopping oto... Still need foot clutch for pto
 
[b:41a8ac9101]SoundNguy[/b:41a8ac9101] wrote:
"The naa lpto was a hyd actuated pinion clutch for the drivetrain!"

I like the way you put an exclamation mark after what you wrote here as though what you have to say is a total departure from what I said. But I guess an exclamation mark is way easier to type than: "You don't know what you're talking about."

I said "hydraulic clutch" because another forum member filled me in on the hydraulic setup necessary to use the LPTO option.
All I actually know about hydraulic clutches is the automotive variety where the clutch fork is activated hydraulically as opposed to mechanical.
 
everyone doesn't, and they can be educated without someone being an a$$ to them, that's my point, I guess no one ever taught you nothing.
 
Most people of slightly below average intelligence or better learn about the interaction of moving and non moving parts when we first jambed our foot into a moving bike wheel. For the vast majority of us, that happened exactly once.

Now, to change a drill bit out of a chuck, do you wait till I stops or do you try to jamb that key into the spinning chuck?

I wouldn't hop into an airplane without learning the controls first.. That's what manuals are for.

As to your a$$ comment.. I'll take a$$ over dumba$$ any day.

Maybee instead of armchair quarterbacking you could pitch in now and then, other than just posting to whine about a post from someone else to someone else. You know... Like actually post to help other folks out.
 
Like I said no one taught you anything, I did not insult your intelligence, just your attitude so if your suggesting I'm a dumba$$ you dont know me and therefore can go, well your so smart you figure it out, I'm not whining I simply stated that your replies are rude most of the time and the smart a$$ comments you make are uncalled for. I also mentioned that I hardly ever reply because good advice, yours included, is given by the time I read the post therefore me replying would be redundant. Comparing engaging a PTO and changing a drill bit is a bad comparison, as one can plainly see a drill turning, someone that has never been on an n doesn't know the inner workings of the PTO, guess you've never touched something without reading a manual, gee what it must be like to know everything about everything, I can't imagine, bless your heart
 
(quoted from post at 14:14:49 09/03/14) Most people of slightly below average intelligence or better learn about the interaction of moving and non moving parts when we first jambed our foot into a moving bike wheel.

Sorry, next time I'll use my x-ray vision to see inside the tractor and make sure nothing is moving. Being ignorant of how something works and dumb, stupid or low intelligence are two completely different things.

However, now I know. Thanks for all the replies.
 
The side comments not addressed to yo as replies are not directed towards you, but rather to the armchair quarterback. Once you get your manual describing what all your tractor controls do you will be fine. Not sure how modern view stacks replies, but in classic where I post the reply stacks under the intended recipients post. It can be difficult to communicate typing ( on a phone no less!), but no insult was intended to you.
 
(quoted from post at 14:45:32 09/03/14) What do you expect? He obviously didn't know he needed to step on the clutch, maybe you dont mean for some of your replies to come off as you being a jerk but many of them do. Some people dont know and that's why they ask questions, to learn not to get talked to like they are stupid. I am not someone that replies alot on here because usually the information they get is good but man someone that has a genuine question more times than not has to put up with someone trying to make them feel like an idiot for asking.

x3
 
your comment mentioned not needing to use the foot clutch to use the lpto... that could be misleading.

you don't need the foot clutch to clutch the drivetrain, or declutch it.. but you still need the foot clutch to engage the pto ( ! )

feel better?
 

Speaking of mechanical problems, you should have that competitive spirit of yours looked at.

"Even the butler he's got something to prove"
Dylan
 
(quoted from post at 00:47:57 09/05/14)
Speaking of mechanical problems, you should have that competitive spirit of yours looked at.

"Even the butler he's got something to prove"
Dylan
give it rest!
 
I'm the "armchair quarterback". I'll be sure not to ask exactly what that is, maybe read a manual......lol The other poster has a poor attitude when people dont under stand something that he does and asks a question. Funny I thought that's what the forum was for not to have to deal with a person with a bad attitude, but I didn't read the manual on that either. I am done with this though. Soundguy I hope that you have a question I have the answer to one day, I will answer it in the same manner as you would.....happy tractoring and once again bless your heart :)
 
the question got answered.

If I have to ask a question, i'll expect being told i should be able to figure it out... no bigy.. it's all give and take. :)
 
well, if nothing else, this threat has hedged out all the quiet weak stomach hand wringer types. ;)
 

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