Question - Next step fixing the hydraulics

OK, now that I know my cylinder and relief valve are both leaking significantly I'm looking for advice on next steps.
1) Am I at the point to be ordering any parts or rebuild kit at this point? Or do I need to get into the cylinder and have a look.
2) Is it better to replace the relief valve or clean? If the spring is weak, it seems like I'd have trouble determining that (I don't have a pressure gauge).
3) Once I take the top plate and cylinder off, what gaskets will I need later?
4) If I'm in that far, should I be pulling the pump and cleaning as well?

Thanks all!
 
I'd do both the top cover & the pump. And the PTO seal as well.

Before you start, it would be a wise move to get a jig from Zane Sherman to adjust the internal linkage. And, make a couple of “guide studs” by cutting the heads off of two 7/16-14 x 3 5/8” bolts. Also, if your lift cylinder rebuild kit has the leather washer, get CNH part number 87051231 which is the neoprene washer for the lift piston instead of the leather one.

The lift cover weighs nearly 100 lbs with the upper lift arms attached, & is very hard to maneuver. An engine hoist is an excellent idea. Remove the seat and spring, disconnect the upper lift arms at the knuckles. Remove the 14 bolts that hold the cover to the housing. (note that there are three different lengths) DO NOT remove the four nuts under the seat! Remove the right side inspection cover so you can remove the control rod tip from the pump intake valve. Lift the back of the cover straight up and slide a piece of wood under the cover to keep the tip of the control rod out of the rocker shaft. Once you are sure the control rod is out of the rocker shaft, you can then remove the cover. Turn the cover upside down, remove the four bolts that hold the cylinder to the cover, & use a little compressed air on the cylinder to remove the piston. Check the cylinder for excessive scratches, hone if necessary. Install a new piston with "0" ring and backing washer in the cylinder. Install the CNH neoprene washer w/ the concave side toward the “O” ring. At this point, check the cam follower pin & the control rod. If the cam follower pin is worn replace it. Then, if you have a jig, adjust the linkage to specs. The ‘shade tree’ adjustment was to bend the control arm to compensate for normal wear in the linkage, springs & cam follower pin. If the control rod is bent, remove it & straighten it. (very carefully; they break easily!) Replace the gaskets under the cylinder and bolt it back on the cover. Put the gasket on the tractor (no sealer) and put the gude studs in place. Unless you do this every day or have eyeballs in your finger tips, get some help to guide the tip of the control arm back into the rocker shaft. (this is the point you will wish you had a engine hoist to hold the top cover while the control rod dances around the intake valve arm on the pump!) Align the cover holes up with the housing holes. Remove the guide studs. Tighten cover bolts, connect lift arms install the seat. Re-install the inspection covers with new gaskets.

There are two ways to clean the pump; the “quick clean” that gets a lot of the sludge out of it, & the right way that gets all of it, including the hard packed crud in the pump base.

For the quick clean, after you get the old fluid drained out (overnight is best) remove both inspection plates & start pulling the sludge in the pump base out by hand. Then, get a couple of gallons of kerosene or diesel fuel & pour it into the pump base. Catch it in a bucket & reuse it. (Some folks use a hand garden sprayer.) Flush the pump base out 5 or 6 times. Do not start the engine to run the kerosene through the pump; kerosene and diesel fuel do not have sufficient lubrication properties for a 60 year old hydraulic pump designed to be immersed in 90w gear oil. Some folks say it’s ok to start the engine, engage the pump for a minute or two, then turn the engine off. Your call on that one.
This 'quick-clean' is not as effective as dropping the pump & doing a full job. But if the choice is between doing nothing & the quick clean, spray it out. It worked for me for 3 years on my 1951 N. If you have the time, drop the pump; that is the right way to do it. I’ve done it both ways & don’t plan on doing the quick clean again. That’s because dropping the pump is not a big deal. If you have hard packed crud in the pump base, you are wasting your time w/ the "quick clean".

With all of the fluid drained out, block the front wheels & get the rear wheels up at least a foot. (you'll see why soon enough) Remove the 4 bolts holding the PTO shaft in & pull it to the rear & out of the tractor. Loosen all of the bolts. Remove all but 2 corner bolts. Then, carefully remove them. If you are lucky, the pump will drop free (and dump a pint or so of hydraulic fluid down your sleeves). If not, wrestle it free. The pump has 'ears' that fit into the housing; wiggle it a bit & it will drop free. If you have the rear tires a foot or more off of the ground, you will have enough arm room to hold the pump & lower it at the same time. Put it on your work bench & remove the safety valve (p/n 638) and the control arm lever (p/n 643) which will allow you to remove the intake & exhaust valves (p/n’s 640 & 698) Drop all of it in a bucket of diesel (or mineral spirits) or your parts washer & let it soak overnight. Once it has a good soaking, get it on the bench & start blowing it out w/ compressed air. Run cleaning fluid into the hydraulic discharge near the test port & make sure you get a good flow out the small hole in the side of the pump were the control valve fits. I don't see much need to pull it down any further just to clean it. But, I always replace the safety valve (p/n 638, about $25) Reinstalling the pump is harder than pulling it out because you have a gasket to worry about. (no sealer on the gasket) And, you will probably need a helper to guide the control rod into the pump rocker shaft unless you’ve done this 6 or 7 times before!

While you have the PTO shaft out, it would be a good time to replace the seal on it. It's got two spring clamps around it. Take your needle nose pliers & remove the one in the front. Then, hang the shaft & bearing housing in your vice & tap the butt end of the shaft; the bearing cap will come off (and the shaft will land on your foot). Then, remove the other spring clip from the other side of the bearing. At this point, remember that you never bought a seal driver & go get a BF socket & drive the seal out. If you have the new style seal, the white side goes out. (open side to the oil) Put some grease on it.

Contrary to conventional wisdom, not a lot of water gets in the oil from the shifter boot. Of course, if it's bad, replace it, but you get water from the draft control spring & the dipstick. But, most water is just a byproduct of the heating/cooling cycle of the oil.

You’ll need a pump gasket, safety valve, inspection plate gasket(s), PTO seal, PTO gasket, gasket sealer & 5 gallons of fluid to do all of the above.
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Bruce - thank you very much, that's exactly the kind of advice I was looking for! I'll order parts and start taking the top plate off.
 

You got excellent advice from Bruce.

I was surfing you tube last night due to another sleepless night and stumbled across this excellent video on the Hydraulic lift cover repair. Don't let the young girl fool you. She obviously learned from the old timers. I never opened the top cover either but after watching this I am going to finally take the plunge.(pardon the pun)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcWtNVOxzDg
 
Tom, all this seems very intimidating however I just went through this a couple weeks ago but on my 2N. My major problem was the gaskets on side of pump were blown out. Thus said, I suggest replacing them at this time while you have pump on bench.
New NAA style piston and O-rings w/back up washer, relief valve and gasket set was around $80 delivered to my door from this site.
My ONLY regret: That I didn't do it 3 years ago.
Norm
 
Thanks Bruce and the others. This site is just outstanding for the amount of real-life, useful advice. I'm definitely going to tackle it.
Time to order parts!
Thanks again
 
Bruce, and others - is this the correct list of parts to undertake the suggested repairs?:

MANUAL FO 8N Service Manual - Service Manual (Part No: FO_9N-2N-8N_SV) 14.95
PARTS FORD Friction Disk - Hydraulic Control Lever. 3inch dia. 1\2inch hole. For models 2N, 600, 601, 700, 701, 800, 801, 8N, 900, 901, 9N, NAA, (2000 & 4000 4 cyl.). Price is for each. (Part No: C5NN518B) 2.00
PARTS FORD Gasket, Hydraulic Pump Drain - Fits 8N, 9N, 2N. Sold in lots of 5, Priced each. (Part No: 8N7011) 1.16
PARTS FORD Hydraulic Lift Cover Repair Kit - For 8N, 9N, 2N. Lift Cover Repair Gasket Kit. Gasket Set includes 2 Valve chamber gaskets, lift cover gasket, base pump gasket, 2 inspection cover gasket cylinder to center housing cover, 2 hydraulic lift cylinder housing gasket. (Part No: LCRK928) 9.72
PARTS FORD Hydraulic Safety Valve Assembly - For models 8N, 9N, 2N. (Part No: 8N638) 27.86
PARTS FORD Hydraulic pump base to center housing Gasket - For models 8N, 9N, 2N. (Part No: 9N611) 1.65
PARTS FORD PTO Shaft Seal, Double Lip - For All Models- 1939 thru 1964 with 1-1-8 or 1-3-8 PTO shaft. 2.45 O.D., 1 5-8 I.D., 5-8 wide. Replaces OEM#s - D8NN703AA & D9NN703BA, and 9N703B. (Part No: D9NN703BB) 7.06
PARTS FORD PTO Housing Gasket - PTO Housing Gasket. For 8N,9N,2N,NAA, all through 1954. (Part No: C5NN747A) 0.99
PARTS FORD Hydraulic Lift Piston - Single groove piston 2-1\2inch dia., groove is centered 1 1\4 inch from bottom of piston. O-Ring available as NAA533A and Back Up Washer as NAA473A. For models NAA, NAB, 8N, 9N, 2N. (Part No: NAA530B) 26.20
PARTS FORD Hydraulic Lift Piston O-Ring - For 8N, 9N, 2N. O-Ring used on piston #NAA530B. Price is for each. Used with lift piston washer #NAA473A. NOTE- The leather washer goes on first, then the o-ring. (Part No: NAA533A) 1.04
PARTS FORD Hydraulic Lift Piston Washer - For 9N, 8N, 2N. Hydraulic Lift Piston Washer used with Piston #NAA530B. Price is for each. (Part No: NAA473A)
 
Bruce, or others - does this look like the correct list of parts to undertake the suggested repairs?:

PARTS FORD Friction Disk - Hydraulic Control Lever. 3inch dia. 12inch hole. (Part No: C5NN518B)
PARTS FORD Gasket, Hydraulic Pump Drain - Fits 8N, 9N, 2N. Sold in lots of 5, Priced each. (Part No: 8N7011)
PARTS FORD Hydraulic Lift Cover Repair Kit - For 8N, 9N, 2N. Lift Cover Repair Gasket Kit. Gasket Set includes 2 Valve chamber gaskets, lift cover gasket, base pump gasket, 2 inspection cover gasket cylinder to center housing cover, 2 hydraulic lift cylinder housing gasket. (Part No: LCRK928)
PARTS FORD Hydraulic Safety Valve Assembly - For models 8N, 9N, 2N. (Part No: 8N638)
PARTS FORD Hydraulic pump base to center housing Gasket - For models 8N, 9N, 2N. (Part No: 9N611) PARTS FORD PTO Shaft Seal, Double Lip - For All Models- 1939 thru 1964 with 1-1-8 or 1-3-8 PTO shaft. 2.45 O.D., 1 5-8 I.D., 5-8 wide. Replaces OEM#s - D8NN703AA & D9NN703BA, and 9N703B. (Part No: D9NN703BB)
PARTS FORD PTO Housing Gasket - PTO Housing Gasket. For 8N,9N,2N,NAA, all through 1954. (Part No: C5NN747A)
PARTS FORD Hydraulic Lift Piston - Single groove piston 2-12inch dia., groove is centered 1 14 inch from bottom of piston. O-Ring available as NAA533A and Back Up Washer as NAA473A. For models NAA, NAB, 8N, 9N, 2N. (Part No: NAA530B)
PARTS FORD Hydraulic Lift Piston O-Ring - For 8N, 9N, 2N. O-Ring used on piston #NAA530B. Used with lift piston washer #NAA473A. NOTE- The leather washer goes on first, then the o-ring. (Part No: NAA533A)
PARTS FORD Hydraulic Lift Piston Washer - For 9N, 8N, 2N. Hydraulic Lift Piston Washer used with Piston #NAA530B. Price is for each. (Part No: NAA473A)
 

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