9N No Spark

Peyton D.

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Hi.
I have a ford 9n and it"s not getting spark the points are set correctly but the cap looks to be chewed up above the contact points from the rotor button is there supposed to be a gasket between the cap and rotor button allowing the correct gap so the button doesn"t hit the cap?
 
" is there supposed to be a gasket between the cap and rotor button allowing the correct gap so the button doesn"t hit the cap? "

Yes, there is a gasket between the cap & the distributor base.

But that's not your problem.

If you are lucky, you put the rotor on wrong. Or didn't seat the cap correctly. Or got the wrong rotor.

Or, worse.....you didn't seat the distributor correctly. (that usually results in a cracked ear on the base)

Or, the shaft is moving.

Pull the distributor & check out those possibilities.

And pls post back w/ results or more questions.
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Pulled it apart checked everything nothing seemed broke. Upon reassembly I was careful to seat everything correctly but still no spark. Order whole new assembly from stiners. If the breaker plate is not adjusted correctly and is to far advanced or to far retarded will that affect it.
 
" If the breaker plate is not adjusted correctly and is to far advanced or to far retarded will that affect it. "

No.

It might be hard to start & run poorly, but being out of time will not result in no spark.

" Order whole new assembly from stiners."

So, no spark & you are replacing the entire distributor?
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"Order whole new assembly from stiners."

Will they take it back? You likely don't need it.

The rotor isn't supposed to touch the cap, or the contacts in
the cap. It should be free spinning inside. If it touches anywhere
other than the spring contact on top of it, investigate why.
 
Yes, because I ran all new electrical wires and I'm getting a constant 6v to the coil all new plug wires and spark plugs it's the only thing I could thing would be replaced the rotor button and cap still no spark. Unless the coil is bad. What could I do to test it?
 
Is it still a 6V system or converted to 12V?

Constant 6V on a 6V system means you have no current flow.
Likely your points are not closing. Whether mechanically or
electrically, they are not making contact.
Could also be a few other things, like the pig tail or the little
copper strip in the distributor broken. All cheap fixes.

If you have a 12V system and have a constant 6V the points
are not opening and it will quickly burn up a front mount coil.
 
Yes it is a 6v system still I plan to convert it but I just happen to
be looking at the copper strip you mentioned and it was
cracked in the distributor I will replace that tomorrow and will
let you know if it fixes it. Thanks for all your help.
 
" What could I do to test it? "

Coil problems are difficult to diagnose. For starters, round coils are pretty robust & square coils aren’t (because of the difference in insulation used), but neither one will hold up to a poorly done 12v conversion that allows too much current to the coil or leaving the key on (see tip # 38). Too much current creates heat which melts the insulation. Insufficient resistance in a 12v conversion will do the same thing. Rarely do coils just “go bad.”

There are a few ways to see if a coil is bad, but it’s not possible to determine if a coil is good w/o some expensive testing equipment. If you detect a dead short or high resistance in the coil w/ an ohm meter, it’s bad. If it’s cracked, it’s bad. If a sidemount coil w/ battery voltage to the primary will not jump a ¼” gap from the secondary wire to the block, it’s bad. But, here is the hard part: even if you do not detect a short, even if it will produce a spark, even if it’s not cracked, that doesn’t mean the coil will work when it’s hot & under a load. So, it’s a process of elimination. If the tractor starts & runs fine for 30 minutes or an hour then cuts off & refuses to re-start, and you checked for spark at the plugs & it had no spark at all, AND you have the correct voltage at the coil that’s a good sign that you have a bad coil. Let it cool off, restart it & if you have a good spark, odds are it’s a bad coil. But, even then, you might end up w/ a spare coil on the shelf!

Bottom line.......coils do go bad, but I'll venture a guess that 75% of new N coils sold today are sold to folks who do not understand how to diagnose a poor spark problem or how a coil works. So, for those who don’t know any better, in a no spark situation the first suspect is usually the coil……and, more often than not, it isn’t the problem.

As Royse said, if that copper strip is cracked, you will get no spark. And fixing that will cost a lot less than a new coil. Or in your case, a new distributor.

There are a few common causes of a weak or no spark in a frontmount.

Assuming that the bushings & advance weights are ok (*see below), & that you have correct voltage to the coil (battery voltage with the points open and about half that with the points closed), the most common electrical failure (no spark, weak spark) points on the front mount are:

1. The insulator under the brass concave head screw & where the copper strip attaches. (it’s fiber & will wear out; poke & prod w/ your meter leads to make sure it still works) If you need to replace the insulator, use a .250 x 3/8 nylon square nylon anchor nut available at most big box home stores

2. The pigtail at the bottom of the coil not making contact w/ the concave head brass screw inside the distributor. (With the coil on, the pigtail must firmly contact the brass screw. No contact = no spark

3. The copper strip is broken or grounded to the plate. (look very carefully for cracks & breaks).

4. The condenser wire grounding to the plate or side of the distributor.

5. The tab on the bottom of the coil not making contact w/ the brass button on the cap. (With the cap on, the tab must firmly contact the brass button. No contact = no spark.)

6. Incorrect positioning of the spring clip on the plate causing the pigtail to ground. (the open part of the clip goes between 7 & 9 o’clock on the plate. That puts the straight part of the clip opposite of the timing screw at 3 o’clock)

7. Incorrect seating of the coil on the distributor due to a loose bail or no gasket.(the coil must not move at all; if it does, replace the gasket or bail. Or stick some cardboard under the bail).

8. Water/moisture inside the cap due to gasket failure or the absence of a gasket. (the cap AND coil have gaskets)

9. Dirty/corroded/burned/incorrectly gapped or misaligned points. I use only Wells, Blue Streak or Echlin brand points (* *see below).

10. Burned rotor, cracked/carbon tracked cap.

Not a single one of these common failure points costs as much to fix as a new distributor.

I've always found it cheaper to diagnose the problem BEFORE I bought parts.

After find the problem & re-check the point gap, do a continuity check before you put the distributor back on the tractor.

Before you start, make sure your meter/light works.

With the distributor still off the tractor, follow these steps:

1. Coil off, cap off, points open. One probe on the brass screw & the other on both sides of the open points. On the side closest to the cam, you should have continuity. Not on the other side! If you do, you will also have continuity everywhere because the points are grounded.

2. Coil off, cap off, points open. One probe on the brass screw & the other anywhere on the body of the distributor. You should have no continuity! Now, rotate the tang on the distributor....as the points open & close, you have continuity (closed) and lose it when they open.

3. Put the coil on the distributor, cap off, points open. One probe on the lead on the top of the coil, the other on the cam side of the open points. You should have continuity!

4. Coil on, cap off, points open. One probe on the lead on the top of the coil, the other anywhere on the body of the distributor. You should have no continuity!




* Unscrew the plate hold down screw & remove the C clip to get the plate out. Remove the shaft & weights. The weights should freely move.


* *NAPA part numbers:

• Points: FD-6769X
• Condenser: FD-71
• Rotor: FD-104
• Cap: FD-126
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