Ok this is what Im doing next weekend with part numbers.1. change out water pump and hoses ...hoses 8NL-HOSESET and water pump Part No: CDPN8501A) 2. pull Pto and change to 1 3/8
... PTO conversion Part No: 9N700-38 ... 3. rebuild lift cylinder... Hydraulic lift cover repair kit Part No: LCRK928 ..Hydraulic piston Part No: NAA530B.. 4. replace safety valve Part No: 8N638.. im gonna drain all fluid. put in 5 gallons of diesel, ATF and alcohol . i also am getting the fluid this week .Anything im forgetting or need to order or get before i start? Thanks
 
8N, right?

Looks like you will be pulling the top cover & replacing the lift piston, correct?

And replacing the PTO shaft.

And replacing the safety valve on the pump?

Why not drop the pump & clean it out?

Do you have Zane's jig to adjust the linkage?
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yes its a 8n. i have zanes jig.
I ll do that only thing ill need is gasket? Part No: 9N611
what all does cleaning out entail? thanks
 
Before you start, it would be a wise move to make a couple of “guide studs” by cutting the heads off of two 7/16-14 x 3 5/8” bolts. Also, if your lift cylinder rebuild kit has the leather washer, get CNH part number 87051231 which is the neoprene washer for the lift piston instead of the leather one.

The lift cover weighs nearly 100 lbs with the upper lift arms attached, & is very hard to maneuver. An engine hoist is an excellent idea. Remove the seat and spring, disconnect the upper lift arms at the knuckles. Remove the 14 bolts that hold the cover to the housing. (note that there are three different lengths) DO NOT remove the four nuts under the seat! Remove the right side inspection cover so you can remove the control rod tip from the pump intake valve. Lift the back of the cover straight up and slide a piece of wood under the cover to keep the tip of the control rod out of the rocker shaft. Once you are sure the control rod is out of the rocker shaft, you can then remove the cover. Turn the cover upside down, remove the four bolts that hold the cylinder to the cover, & use a little compressed air on the cylinder to remove the piston. Check the cylinder for excessive scratches, hone if necessary. Install a new piston with "0" ring and backing washer in the cylinder. Install the CNH neoprene washer w/ the concave side toward the “O” ring. At this point, check the cam follower pin & the control rod. If the cam follower pin is worn replace it. Then, if you have a jig, adjust the linkage to specs. The ‘shade tree’ adjustment was to bend the control arm to compensate for normal wear in the linkage, springs & cam follower pin. If the control rod is bent, remove it & straighten it. (very carefully; they break easily!) Replace the gaskets under the cylinder and bolt it back on the cover. Put the gasket on the tractor (no sealer) and put the guide studs in place. Unless you do this every day or have eyeballs in your finger tips, get some help to guide the tip of the control arm back into the rocker shaft. (this is the point you will wish you had a engine hoist to hold the top cover while the control rod dances around the intake valve arm on the pump!) Align the cover holes up with the housing holes. Remove the guide studs. Tighten cover bolts, connect lift arms install the seat. Re-install the inspection covers with new gaskets.

Re pulling the pump.....with all of the fluid drained out, block the front wheels & get the rear wheels up at least a foot. (you'll see why soon enough) Remove the 4 bolts holding the PTO shaft in & pull it to the rear & out of the tractor. Loosen all of the bolts. Remove all but 2 corner bolts. Then, carefully remove them. If you are lucky, the pump will drop free (and dump a pint or so of hydraulic fluid down your sleeves). If not, wrestle it free. The pump has 'ears' that fit into the housing; wiggle it a bit & it will drop free. If you have the rear tires a foot or more off of the ground, you will have enough arm room to hold the pump & lower it at the same time. Put it on your work bench & remove the safety valve (p/n 638) and the control arm lever (p/n 643) which will allow you to remove the intake & exhaust valves (p/n’s 640 & 698) Drop all of it in a bucket of diesel (or mineral spirits) or your parts washer & let it soak overnight. Once it has a good soaking, get it on the bench & start blowing it out w/ compressed air. Run cleaning fluid into the hydraulic discharge near the test port & make sure you get a good flow out the small hole in the side of the pump were the control valve fits. I don't see much need to pull it down any further just to clean it. But, I always replace the safety valve (p/n 638, about $25) Reinstalling the pump is harder than pulling it out because you have a gasket to worry about. (no sealer on the gasket) And, you will probably need a helper to guide the control rod into the pump rocker shaft unless you’ve done this 6 or 7 times before!

Re the new seal on your new PTO shaft.....put some grease on it.

Contrary to conventional wisdom, not a lot of water gets in the oil from the shifter boot. Of course, if it's bad, replace it, but you get water from the draft control spring & the dipstick. But, most water is just a byproduct of the heating/cooling cycle of the oil.

You’ll need a pump gasket, safety valve, inspection plate gasket(s), PTO seal, PTO gasket, gasket sealer & 5 gallons of fluid to do all of the above.
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(quoted from post at 17:26:18 04/16/14)
"what all does cleaning out entail?" thanks

Drop the pump per Bruce's instructions. Here's what a typical never-been-cleaned-before pump looks like:

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Once it is disassembled and clean, it should look like this:

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And here are all of the parts that have to be removed, cleaned, and reassembled (pump base gasket and valve chamber gaskets not shown):

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It is not hard, just takes a while to clean the parts.

Hope this helps.

Jimps in GA.
 

so i just need to order them gaskets? the pump base gasket Part No: 9N611 and Valve chamber to base gasket Part No: 9N613.. Thanks guys... One more question ... since im gonna drop the pump do i need to flush the thing with diesel?
 
If you want to pull the pump all the way down like jimps did, you will need pump gaskets. I've never pulled one down for cleaning.

Soak it overnight in mineral spirits or diesel after it's out of the tractor.
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(quoted from post at 21:05:30 04/16/14) If you want to pull the pump all the way down like jimps did, you will need pump gaskets. I've never pulled one down for cleaning.

Soak it overnight in mineral spirits or diesel after it's out of the tractor.
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I flushed it initially with diesel to get most of the crud off, then disassembled everything and cleaned it good with brushes in a parts washer. I used a wire brush on a drill to get all of the old gasket material off. My valves were good, so all I needed to do was to clean it good and reassemble. I also sprayed out the inside of the tractor chassis with diesel in a garden sprayer. I serviced the hydraulic piston with a new O ring and backup washer. There is a gasket set for the hydraulic system on this site (Part No: LCRK928) that has all the gaskets you will need if you take it all apart.

What I did was a full, deep clean. I had no idea if it had ever been done before, and it was a good way to learn about how the thing worked. If you can reach in to the bottom of the pump from the inspection hole (tractor off!) and feel sludge, then you may want to consider doing the full clean, especially if you drop the pump. Otherwise a good diesel flush in and around the pump may be sufficient if the lift was working OK before.

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Jimps in GA.
 
Ill just order the gaskets . Even if i dont do complete breakdown .. they are not that expensive. Thanks guys for all the help
 

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