Anonymous-0
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I think I may have fried the elec. ignition or the coil as the key was left on after shutting off gas and left it to die. Has anyone else had this kind of a problem ? Pat. P.
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Bruce (VA)
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" Has anyone else had this kind of a problem ?"
Of course. It's such a common problem that it is tip # 38 at the link below.
What is uncommon in your case is going to be the cost to replace that EI.
If you leave the key on & the points are closed, you melt the points & probably the coil. That’s a $40 mistake. If you leave the key on w/ EI, that’s a $150 mistake.
Post back w/ the tractors voltage (6v or 12v) & the make/model of the EI. Some of them have a fuse to prevent it from melting w/ too much current.
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Of course. It's such a common problem that it is tip # 38 at the link below.
What is uncommon in your case is going to be the cost to replace that EI.
If you leave the key on & the points are closed, you melt the points & probably the coil. That’s a $40 mistake. If you leave the key on w/ EI, that’s a $150 mistake.
Post back w/ the tractors voltage (6v or 12v) & the make/model of the EI. Some of them have a fuse to prevent it from melting w/ too much current.
75 Tips
Ultradog MN
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You'll find a lot of folks here hate EI.
Some of them will secretly laugh about yours going bad. If it did. Then they can teach you allll about putting points back in.
I say don't give up on the EI yet. Your coil is probably fried so learn how to test it or just replace it and then try again.
You might be surprised.
Some of them will secretly laugh about yours going bad. If it did. Then they can teach you allll about putting points back in.
I say don't give up on the EI yet. Your coil is probably fried so learn how to test it or just replace it and then try again.
You might be surprised.
NOTHING inherently wrong with EI.
Trouble is, for EI that fits into the distributor (vs. an "ignition box") of these old beasts, Pertronix is the "only game in town".
And, sadly, they "dropped the ball" by not making their "Ignitor" idiot-proof, in that the smoke usually gets let out of an Ignitor if the ignition switch is left on without the engine running.
And as to your comment "I say don't give up on the EI yet. Your coil is probably fried so learn how to test it or just replace it and then try again."
That's pretty wishful thinking, and MAY turn out to be true, but, sadly, in the real world, by the time enough current/current over time has passed through the coil to "kill" it, the EI has failed, or is about to.
Trouble is, for EI that fits into the distributor (vs. an "ignition box") of these old beasts, Pertronix is the "only game in town".
And, sadly, they "dropped the ball" by not making their "Ignitor" idiot-proof, in that the smoke usually gets let out of an Ignitor if the ignition switch is left on without the engine running.
And as to your comment "I say don't give up on the EI yet. Your coil is probably fried so learn how to test it or just replace it and then try again."
That's pretty wishful thinking, and MAY turn out to be true, but, sadly, in the real world, by the time enough current/current over time has passed through the coil to "kill" it, the EI has failed, or is about to.
Ultradog MN
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There were many who said that Britian had no hope of deflecting the German onslaught in the summer of 1940. They said Churchill should sue for peace while he could still get decent terms from Hitler.
But thankfully, Churchill didn't just throw in the towel.
Hopefully, Mr. Peterson wont either as there is a chance that his module still works.
But thankfully, Churchill didn't just throw in the towel.
Hopefully, Mr. Peterson wont either as there is a chance that his module still works.
Bruce (VA)
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Interesting historical analogy.
But the one that comes to my mind isn't Churchill & the Battle of Britain, but Custer sending his last message at the Little Big Horn.
Benteen.
Come On. Big Village. Be quick. Bring Packs.
P.S. Bring packs. W.W. Cooke
But the one that comes to my mind isn't Churchill & the Battle of Britain, but Custer sending his last message at the Little Big Horn.
Benteen.
Come On. Big Village. Be quick. Bring Packs.
P.S. Bring packs. W.W. Cooke
Anonymous-0
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As long as we are deekin with useless analogies instead of offering useful help (don't know jack is an excuse) ,then may I suggest, that Dawg offer, 'hope' your EI is good and 'change' your coil. Based on the sound premise that a roll of wire is the weak link in a chain of wire and transistors, it would be sound advice. 
Ultradog MN
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Well then, If you don't like analogies maybe a couple of quotes would be better.
[i:654c4848f0]"Congratulations on joining the thousands of folks who have tossed parts at a non-running tractor instead of diagnosing the problem first."[/i:654c4848f0]
[i:654c4848f0]"There are two schools of thought when it comes to getting a non-running tractor to start. One way is to just start replacing every part you can get to until it starts or you run out of money. The other way is to take a step-by-step approach to solving the problem, working from most likely to least likely. The trick to fixing these tractors (or trouble shooting any piece of equipment) is to be systematic about it. You need to isolate the problem step by step and work from most likely to least likely."[/i:654c4848f0]
So I have to ask; Wouldn't a step by step approach be appropriate for EI too?
[i:654c4848f0]"Congratulations on joining the thousands of folks who have tossed parts at a non-running tractor instead of diagnosing the problem first."[/i:654c4848f0]
[i:654c4848f0]"There are two schools of thought when it comes to getting a non-running tractor to start. One way is to just start replacing every part you can get to until it starts or you run out of money. The other way is to take a step-by-step approach to solving the problem, working from most likely to least likely. The trick to fixing these tractors (or trouble shooting any piece of equipment) is to be systematic about it. You need to isolate the problem step by step and work from most likely to least likely."[/i:654c4848f0]
So I have to ask; Wouldn't a step by step approach be appropriate for EI too?
Bruce (VA)
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Of course it would be. As the number 1 advocate of EI around here, I eagerly await your write up. Go for it.
Ultradog MN
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I've never had to do it because I found mine to be completely reliable, increase performance and eliminate maintenance for 6 1/2 years.
But if I did, I would at least try this:
On a side mount distributer there are two wires going to the module. Put battery voltage to the red wire. Hook a volt meter to the black wire.
Pass a magnet past the module. Most any old magnet would do. When you pass by the module you should read momentary voltage on your vom.
Not sure about a front mount but I would suspect they could be tested in a similar way.
ell, that is a guess, but no cupie doll for you! 1) we don't know if he has 6v/12v or 2) Pos or Neg ground. None of those with red/blk wires will output a voltage on the black wire. When 'on' those models pull the black wire to ground, just as points would pull to ground. Modules with a Black and Black/white pair of wires will output a voltage on the blk/wht wire when 'on'. Not many constants in life, just a lot of variables. And here I was looking for your step by step approach of replacing 1) coil & if no joy, replace 2) module, & if still no joy, replace 3) ign sw, and etc., etc., one 'step' at a time. Not exactly Bruce's systematic approach, but...............
Are we having fun yet?
P.S., I don't think Pat cares, since his one & only post, there is nothing other that bystanders posts (10 of them ).
Ultradog MN
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1) I have said many times here that I'm not the guy to ask for
advice on electrical issues.
That's why i keep trying to bring people to understand the
benefits of 12V and EI.
Install them - or pay someone to if you don't know how - and
you'll likely not have to touch your electrics except to replace a
battery every 5 years.
2) I generally don't write lengthly treatises here so if you are
looking for a step by step approach to anything I'm not your
man for that either.
3) Time is on my side. As the EI haters here age it will be harder
and harder for for them to deal with those pesky front mounts
and they'll convert to something easier and more reliable.
4) I am very patient.
advice on electrical issues.
That's why i keep trying to bring people to understand the
benefits of 12V and EI.
Install them - or pay someone to if you don't know how - and
you'll likely not have to touch your electrics except to replace a
battery every 5 years.
2) I generally don't write lengthly treatises here so if you are
looking for a step by step approach to anything I'm not your
man for that either.
3) Time is on my side. As the EI haters here age it will be harder
and harder for for them to deal with those pesky front mounts
and they'll convert to something easier and more reliable.
4) I am very patient.
) right, you are not the guy to ask, but you eagerly give the 'advice' anyway!
2) we already saw your step by step; replace this, replace that, still not work, replace something else......
3) you are already older than many here!
4) points will out live you (& many of us)
Now, you know that I help all comers...points & EI........more than almost any one else on the EI, but I don't, as you do, make it my practice to take every opportunity to berate others who sincerely try to help those in need of a helping hand. When you have provided as much benefit to others as Bruce has, instead of trying to beat him up at every opportunity, maybe somebody will have some respect for you. I'm tired of you mini vendetta!
Meanwhile, if you need assistance with your EI (or points), I'll try to help you, too. Peace.
Ultradog MN
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Well Jmor,
I'm disapointed as I always thought you were a little more objective than some of the others here.
There are few outspoken advocates willing to take the heat for EI here.
Were it not for us, this board would overwhelm anyone even hinting at converting with naysaying and even ridicule.
I don't claim to know much about electronics.
But I do know there is a place for EI on these old tractors.
Someone needs to tout it's advantages.
And if I don't say it who will?
I'm disapointed as I always thought you were a little more objective than some of the others here.
There are few outspoken advocates willing to take the heat for EI here.
Were it not for us, this board would overwhelm anyone even hinting at converting with naysaying and even ridicule.
I don't claim to know much about electronics.
But I do know there is a place for EI on these old tractors.
Someone needs to tout it's advantages.
And if I don't say it who will?
TheOldHokie
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May I broker a cease fire if not actual peace by reposting your helpful diagnostic diagram for the EI challenged (including UD). And might I also suggest:
[b:8980f07048]Step 1:[/b:8980f07048] Test and verify proper operation of the ignitor module.
No different than if you had mechanical contact breaker points in there :twisted:
OH, you may. Pat didn't ask for it, UD has no need for it, so I didn't post it. Didn't you notice that this thread has not been about Pat's problem since the very first post?(quoted from post at 09:18:16 02/20/14)
May I broker a cease fire if not actual peace by reposting your helpful diagnostic diagram for the EI challenged (including UD). And might I also suggest:
[b:045ec4395f]Step 1:[/b:045ec4395f] Test and verify proper operation of the ignitor module.
No different than if you had mechanical contact breaker points in there :twisted:
TheOldHokie
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(quoted from post at 09:51:15 02/20/14) TOH, you may. Pat didn't ask for it, UD has no need for it, so I didn't post it. Didn't you notice that this thread has not been about Pat's problem since the very first post?
I noticed. I thought I would try to redirect ;-)
TOH
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