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Ford 2 N Ignition

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J. J. (Pat) Patterson

02-18-2014 11:42:51
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I think I may have fried the elec. ignition or the coil as the key was left on after shutting off gas and left it to die. Has anyone else had this kind of a problem ? Pat. P.




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soundguy

02-20-2014 05:55:42
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 Re: Ford 2 N Ignition in reply to J. J. (Pat) Patterson, 02-18-2014 11:42:51  
so, with the advice given. any results of testing or observation yet?



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JMOR

02-20-2014 06:04:55
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 Re: Ford 2 N Ignition in reply to soundguy, 02-20-2014 05:55:42  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to seeNah! Think Pat lost interest & the rest of the crowd, having no tractor problems to attack, decided to sling cow patties at each other. :lol:



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soundguy

02-20-2014 07:35:47
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 Re: Ford 2 N Ignition in reply to JMOR, 02-20-2014 06:04:55  
hope he saved his old breaker plate. :)



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TheOldHokie

02-20-2014 05:18:16
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 Re: Ford 2 N Ignition in reply to Bruce (VA), 02-18-2014 11:42:51  

JMOR said: (quoted from post at 02:18:21 02/20/14)
Ultradog MN said: (quoted from post at 00:49:27 02/20/14) 1) I have said many times here that I'm not the guy to ask for
advice on electrical issues.

That's why i keep trying to bring people to understand the
benefits of 12V and EI.

Install them - or pay someone to if you don't know how - and
you'll likely not have to touch your electrics except to replace a
battery every 5 years.

2) I generally don't write lengthly treatises here so if you are
looking for a step by step approach to anything I'm not your
man for that either.

3) Time is on my side. As the EI haters here age it will be harder
and harder for for them to deal with those pesky front mounts
and they'll convert to something easier and more reliable.

4) I am very patient.
1) right, you are not the guy to ask, but you eagerly give the 'advice' anyway!

2) we already saw your step by step; replace this, replace that, still not work, replace something else......

3) you are already older than many here!

4) points will out live you (& many of us)

Now, you know that I help all comers...points & EI........more than almost any one else on the EI, but I don't, as you do, make it my practice to take every opportunity to berate others who sincerely try to help those in need of a helping hand. When you have provided as much benefit to others as Bruce has, instead of trying to beat him up at every opportunity, maybe somebody will have some respect for you. I'm tired of you mini vendetta!

Meanwhile, if you need assistance with your EI (or points), I'll try to help you, too. Peace.


May I broker a cease fire if not actual peace by reposting your helpful diagnostic diagram for the EI challenged (including UD). And might I also suggest:

Step 1: Test and verify proper operation of the ignitor module.

No different than if you had mechanical contact breaker points in there :twisted:



This post was edited by TheOldHokie at 05:25:08 02/20/14 2 times.

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JMOR

02-20-2014 05:51:15
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 Re: Ford 2 N Ignition in reply to TheOldHokie, 02-20-2014 05:18:16  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to seeTOH, you may. Pat didn't ask for it, UD has no need for it, so I didn't post it. Didn't you notice that this thread has not been about Pat's problem since the very first post? :cry:



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TheOldHokie

02-20-2014 06:56:30
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 Re: Ford 2 N Ignition in reply to JMOR, 02-20-2014 05:51:15  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see

I noticed. I thought I would try to redirect ;-)

TOH



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JMOR

02-19-2014 22:18:21
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 Re: Ford 2 N Ignition in reply to old, 02-18-2014 11:42:51  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see1) right, you are not the guy to ask, but you eagerly give the 'advice' anyway!

2) we already saw your step by step; replace this, replace that, still not work, replace something else......

3) you are already older than many here!

4) points will out live you (& many of us)

Now, you know that I help all comers...points & EI........more than almost any one else on the EI, but I don't, as you do, make it my practice to take every opportunity to berate others who sincerely try to help those in need of a helping hand. When you have provided as much benefit to others as Bruce has, instead of trying to beat him up at every opportunity, maybe somebody will have some respect for you. I'm tired of you mini vendetta!

Meanwhile, if you need assistance with your EI (or points), I'll try to help you, too. Peace.

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Ultradog MN

02-20-2014 04:15:00
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 Re: Ford 2 N Ignition in reply to JMOR, 02-19-2014 22:18:21  
Well Jmor,
I'm disapointed as I always thought you were a little more objective than some of the others here.
There are few outspoken advocates willing to take the heat for EI here.
Were it not for us, this board would overwhelm anyone even hinting at converting with naysaying and even ridicule.
I don't claim to know much about electronics.
But I do know there is a place for EI on these old tractors.
Someone needs to tout it's advantages.
And if I don't say it who will?

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JMOR

02-20-2014 05:12:54
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 Re: Ford 2 N Ignition in reply to Ultradog MN, 02-20-2014 04:15:00  

Ultradog MN said: (quoted from post at 08:15:00 02/20/14) Well Jmor,

I'm disapointed as I always thought you were a little more objective than some of the others here.

There are few outspoken advocates willing to take the heat for EI here.

Were it not for us, this board would overwhelm anyone even hinting at converting with naysaying and even ridicule.

I don't claim to know much about electronics.

But I do know there is a place for EI on these old tractors.

Someone needs to tout it's advantages.

And if I don't say it who will?
Disappointed? I did not bad mouth EI!

Just tired of the bickering.
This post was edited by JMOR at 05:16:34 02/20/14.

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Ultradog MN

02-18-2014 14:58:11
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 Re: Ford 2 N Ignition in reply to J. J. (Pat) Patterson, 02-18-2014 11:42:51  
You'll find a lot of folks here hate EI.
Some of them will secretly laugh about yours going bad. If it did. Then they can teach you allll about putting points back in. I say don't give up on the EI yet. Your coil is probably fried so learn how to test it or just replace it and then try again.
You might be surprised.



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Bob

02-18-2014 21:45:54
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 Re: Ford 2 N Ignition in reply to Ultradog MN, 02-18-2014 14:58:11  
NOTHING inherently wrong with EI.

Trouble is, for EI that fits into the distributor (vs. an "ignition box") of these old beasts, Pertronix is the "only game in town".

And, sadly, they "dropped the ball" by not making their "Ignitor" idiot-proof, in that the smoke usually gets let out of an Ignitor if the ignition switch is left on without the engine running.

And as to your comment "I say don't give up on the EI yet. Your coil is probably fried so learn how to test it or just replace it and then try again."

That's pretty wishful thinking, and MAY turn out to be true, but, sadly, in the real world, by the time enough current/current over time has passed through the coil to "kill" it, the EI has failed, or is about to.

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Ultradog MN

02-19-2014 04:31:19
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 Re: Ford 2 N Ignition in reply to Bob, 02-18-2014 21:45:54  
There were many who said that Britian had no hope of deflecting the German onslaught in the summer of 1940. They said Churchill should sue for peace while he could still get decent terms from Hitler.
But thankfully, Churchill didn't just throw in the towel.
Hopefully, Mr. Peterson wont either as there is a chance that his module still works.



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MrTech

02-19-2014 07:09:08
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 Re: Ford 2 N Ignition in reply to Ultradog MN, 02-19-2014 04:31:19  
As long as we are deekin with useless analogies instead of offering useful help (don't know jack is an excuse) ,then may I suggest, that Dawg offer, 'hope' your EI is good and 'change' your coil. Based on the sound premise that a roll of wire is the weak link in a chain of wire and transistors, it would be sound advice. :(



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Bruce (VA)

02-19-2014 05:41:28
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 Re: Ford 2 N Ignition in reply to Ultradog MN, 02-19-2014 04:31:19  
Interesting historical analogy.

But the one that comes to my mind isn't Churchill & the Battle of Britain, but Custer sending his last message at the Little Big Horn.

Benteen.

Come On. Big Village. Be quick. Bring Packs.

P.S. Bring packs. W.W. Cooke



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Ultradog MN

02-19-2014 15:41:42
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 Re: Ford 2 N Ignition in reply to Bruce (VA), 02-19-2014 05:41:28  
Well then, If you don't like analogies maybe a couple of quotes would be better.

"Congratulations on joining the thousands of folks who have tossed parts at a non-running tractor instead of diagnosing the problem first."

"There are two schools of thought when it comes to getting a non-running tractor to start. One way is to just start replacing every part you can get to until it starts or you run out of money. The other way is to take a step-by-step approach to solving the problem, working from most likely to least likely. The trick to fixing these tractors (or trouble shooting any piece of equipment) is to be systematic about it. You need to isolate the problem step by step and work from most likely to least likely."

So I have to ask; Wouldn't a step by step approach be appropriate for EI too?

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Bruce (VA)

02-19-2014 16:00:37
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 Re: Ford 2 N Ignition in reply to Ultradog MN, 02-19-2014 15:41:42  
Of course it would be. As the number 1 advocate of EI around here, I eagerly await your write up. Go for it.



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Ultradog MN

02-19-2014 16:26:08
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 Re: Ford 2 N Ignition in reply to Bruce (VA), 02-19-2014 16:00:37  

I've never had to do it because I found mine to be completely reliable, increase performance and eliminate maintenance for 6 1/2 years. But if I did, I would at least try this: On a side mount distributer there are two wires going to the module. Put battery voltage to the red wire. Hook a volt meter to the black wire.
Pass a magnet past the module. Most any old magnet would do. When you pass by the module you should read momentary voltage on your vom.
Not sure about a front mount but I would suspect they could be tested in a similar way.

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JMOR

02-19-2014 19:51:24
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 Re: Ford 2 N Ignition in reply to Ultradog MN, 02-19-2014 16:26:08  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to seeWell, that is a guess, but no cupie doll for you! 1) we don't know if he has 6v/12v or 2) Pos or Neg ground. None of those with red/blk wires will output a voltage on the black wire. When 'on' those models pull the black wire to ground, just as points would pull to ground. Modules with a Black and Black/white pair of wires will output a voltage on the blk/wht wire when 'on'. Not many constants in life, just a lot of variables. And here I was looking for your step by step approach of replacing 1) coil & if no joy, replace 2) module, & if still no joy, replace 3) ign sw, and etc., etc., one 'step' at a time. Not exactly Bruce's systematic approach, but...............
Are we having fun yet?

P.S., I don't think Pat cares, since his one & only post, there is nothing other that bystanders posts (10 of them ).

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Ultradog MN

02-19-2014 20:49:27
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 Re: Ford 2 N Ignition in reply to JMOR, 02-19-2014 19:51:24  
1) I have said many times here that I'm not the guy to ask for advice on electrical issues.
That's why i keep trying to bring people to understand the benefits of 12V and EI.
Install them - or pay someone to if you don't know how - and you'll likely not have to touch your electrics except to replace a battery every 5 years.

2) I generally don't write lengthly treatises here so if you are looking for a step by step approach to anything I'm not your man for that either.

3) Time is on my side. As the EI haters here age it will be harder and harder for for them to deal with those pesky front mounts and they'll convert to something easier and more reliable.

4) I am very patient.

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Bruce (VA)

02-18-2014 11:50:30
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 Re: Ford 2 N Ignition in reply to J. J. (Pat) Patterson, 02-18-2014 11:42:51  
" Has anyone else had this kind of a problem ?"

Of course. It's such a common problem that it is tip # 38 at the link below.

What is uncommon in your case is going to be the cost to replace that EI.

If you leave the key on & the points are closed, you melt the points & probably the coil. Thatís a $40 mistake. If you leave the key on w/ EI, thatís a $150 mistake.

Post back w/ the tractors voltage (6v or 12v) & the make/model of the EI. Some of them have a fuse to prevent it from melting w/ too much current.

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soundguy

02-18-2014 12:02:17
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 Re: Ford 2 N Ignition in reply to Bruce (VA), 02-18-2014 11:50:30  
hopefully he has the gen 2 ei.. if htere is one for the front mount.

gen 2 are smart enough to turn the power off if no revs after a while.

with a no run situation.. I'm guessing a gen 1



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