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Upgrades and add-ons - opinions?

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gears

02-07-2014 06:39:28
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OK, just 'cause I'm one of those guys who can't leave well enough alone, anyone got any experience/opinions on upgrading an N series?
1. Spin-on oil filter setups - looks cleaner to me.
2. Modifying top plate for hyd outputs (RockyCarr has a great writeup on n-complete) to run a hyd top-link

3. The different parking brake assist/levers

4. The Sherman reproduction Left brake lever

5. front stinger pump to drive 722 type one arm loader (for lifting dirt into a raised garden)

6. easy way to weight the front (carryall full of firewood pulls the front end up).

I'm also looking at my spare transmission case and wondering if it's too much work to drill for a cross shaft to update the brake pedals to the Right like an 8N

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jennifer408

02-08-2014 12:43:38
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 Re: Upgrades and add-ons - opinions? in reply to gears, 02-07-2014 06:39:28  
I didn't invent anything - I stole the design ;-)

You can have the prints as a DWG file if you want....

TOH[/quote]

i would be interested, looks like another project for DH. do you have the dimensions ? thanks :)



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TheOldHokie

02-08-2014 13:41:36
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 Re: Upgrades and add-ons - opinions? in reply to jennifer408, 02-08-2014 12:43:38  
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i would be interested, looks like another project for DH. do you have the dimensions ? thanks :)[/quote]

It's roughly dimensioned but I have not made one to verifty they are correct. Send me email and I will forward you a copy.

TOH



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gears

02-08-2014 12:35:46
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 Re: Upgrades and add-ons - opinions? in reply to gears, 02-07-2014 06:39:28  
TOH you've got mail!

anyone got any pics of any of these mods?



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gears

02-08-2014 08:32:28
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 Re: Upgrades and add-ons - opinions? in reply to gears, 02-07-2014 06:39:28  
See, I'm not reinventing the wheel.... TOH has already done it for me! Thanks for the prints.



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TheOldHokie

02-08-2014 11:28:44
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 Re: Upgrades and add-ons - opinions? in reply to gears, 02-08-2014 08:32:28  
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I didn't invent anything - I stole the design ;-)

You can have the prints as a DWG file if you want....

TOH



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gears

02-07-2014 19:44:46
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 Re: Upgrades and add-ons - opinions? in reply to gears, 02-07-2014 06:39:28  
I've thought up several external ideas utilizing rod ends, bell cranks and bearing blocks but I'd love to see some pics.

My spare trans housing is just sitting behind the barn reminding me how out of round the Sherman hole is..... I figure if i'm going to drill one hole (assuming I decide to split it), why not do two more for a brake cross-shaft?



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TheOldHokie

02-08-2014 04:32:15
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 Re: Upgrades and add-ons - opinions? in reply to gears, 02-07-2014 19:44:46  

gears said: (quoted from post at 23:44:46 02/07/14) I've thought up several external ideas utilizing rod ends, bell cranks and bearing blocks but I'd love to see some pics.

My spare trans housing is just sitting behind the barn reminding me how out of round the Sherman hole is..... I figure if i'm going to drill one hole (assuming I decide to split it), why not do two more for a brake cross-shaft?


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TheOldHokie

02-08-2014 04:39:33
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 Re: Upgrades and add-ons - opinions? in reply to TheOldHokie, 02-08-2014 04:32:15  

gears said: (quoted from post at 23:44:46 02/07/14) I've thought up several external ideas utilizing rod ends, bell cranks and bearing blocks but I'd love to see some pics.

My spare trans housing is just sitting behind the barn reminding me how out of round the Sherman hole is..... I figure if i'm going to drill one hole (assuming I decide to split it), why not do two more for a brake cross-shaft?


If interested I have drawings for a conversion that does not require drilling the housings. The brake crossshaft runs under the transmssion in a support tube.I was going to make them for sale but decided the liabilty issue was too great. It's a knockoff of the brake setup on my Kubby which works extremely reliably and should adapt to the N's quite nicely. Easy to build and would give you a lot more leverage than the original "vertical stomp" geometry. No more standing in the stirrups while pulling on the wheel!!!
TOH




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old-9

02-07-2014 18:26:38
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 Re: Upgrades and add-ons - opinions? in reply to gears, 02-07-2014 06:39:28  
You do not have to drill the tranny to convert break peddles to right side. I have seen it done at a show. If I can find photos I could email them. To do the conversion both trumpets need to be removed and some linkage designed and made. It might be something Hobo might want to make and sell. joe



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gears

02-07-2014 16:17:01
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 Re: Upgrades and add-ons - opinions? in reply to gears, 02-07-2014 06:39:28  
I hear ya Ultradog.... Unfortunately 3 acres don't justify $6k
Besides, where's the fun in owning the same thing as everyone else.
I've got a 12v hyd pump setup for the toplink if I wuss out on the stinger setup. (I haven't scrounged misc parts the last 30 yrs fer nothing).



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gears

02-07-2014 15:30:33
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 Re: Upgrades and add-ons - opinions? in reply to gears, 02-07-2014 06:39:28  
I've got a few pumps (approx 6gpm) sitting in the barn along with a reservoir or two and some valves as well, and the correct crank pulley on the tractor so I'd be out sweat equity and some welding wire and time in the garage to cobble this up. I wouldn't spend the $600 or so to buy a system like this but to be able to craft my own from parts lying around..... well, that might just be fun.
And then that would justify building my own 1arm loader to fit (since I'd have to craft the knee mount for the 9N anyhow) and I've got a few cylinders (none matching) and plenty of hoses lying around.

I suppose getting some filters to sit on my shelf would be more cost effective than going with a spin-on conversion...

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Ultradog MN

02-07-2014 15:46:41
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 Re: Upgrades and add-ons - opinions? in reply to gears, 02-07-2014 15:30:33  
Some guys love to tinker and have the time to reinvent the wheel. You may be one of those.
But don't forget that they made more modern tractors that will allow you to have the features you are thinking about adding already built into them.
Something like a 600 or 3000 might serve your purposes.
If live hydraulics, live PTO, power steering, differential lock, brakes on the same side, remote hydraulics for a hydraulic top link, a better drawbar, anchor points for a one arm loader, more gear choices, more HP, greater longevity and other features interest you maybe you should consider a newer machine.
Just a thought...

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R Geiger

02-07-2014 14:05:29
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 Re: Upgrades and add-ons - opinions? in reply to gwstang, 02-07-2014 06:39:28  
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I don't think he has an 8n from what he is saying about the brakes, and the 8n brackets will not work on 9 or 2n.



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R Geiger

02-07-2014 13:53:10
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 Re: Upgrades and add-ons - opinions? in reply to Bruce (VA), 02-07-2014 06:39:28  
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I get mine at NAPA! Have the housing chrome plated! :lol:



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jon

02-07-2014 13:38:28
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 Re: Upgrades and add-ons - opinions? in reply to gears, 02-07-2014 06:39:28  
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I know what you mean but for $6 each at Just8N's you could order a few & have them on the shelf when needed.



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jon

02-07-2014 13:38:12
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 Re: 1520 fuel filter change-now dropping cylinder? in reply to gears, 02-07-2014 06:39:28  
New INjector ordered. Any tips/pitfalls with the change you would recommend avoiding?!



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gears

02-07-2014 12:53:11
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 Re: Upgrades and add-ons - opinions? in reply to gears, 02-07-2014 06:39:28  
With the spin on I was just thinking of ease of replacement - ie, converting it to run a standard PH8A/FL-1 I could pickup at any autoparts store instead of paying shipping or driving 20+ miles to get the stock unit.
Never said one filtered better than the other, even the oem's are switching back to cartridge filters. Besides, on a bypass filter system filtration is marginal at best.

Besides, that polished aluminum adapter and shiny orange filter would add some bling to the underhood ;)

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HCooke

02-07-2014 15:39:46
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 Re: Upgrades and add-ons - opinions? in reply to gears, 02-07-2014 12:53:11  
Napa, Walmart, most Farm and Homes have the cartridge filter.



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soundguy

02-07-2014 13:54:35
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 Re: Upgrades and add-ons - opinions? in reply to gears, 02-07-2014 12:53:11  
you can pick up the canister filter at the store or the spin on. fram c3 costs the same as a ph8a

as for a stinger pump for a 722.. I think it's a waste. that's a spendy pump setup...

if you are lucky enough to have the 8n brackets.. that's a nice find though..



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HCooke

02-07-2014 10:34:13
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 Re: Upgrades and add-ons - opinions? in reply to gears, 02-07-2014 06:39:28  
I am going to limit my comments to the oil filter. The canister and the oil filter on the N Tractors are exactly the same as on my 356 Porsches and 220 Mercedes Benz. If that setup was good enough for those then it is plenty good enough for my tractors. As for mess during replacement, I do have a spin on oil filter on my 601 Ford. Same amount of mess with either system.



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Ultradog MN

02-07-2014 11:39:33
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 Re: Upgrades and add-ons - opinions? in reply to HCooke, 02-07-2014 10:34:13  
I agree Harold. Same amount of mess with either type and not much to be gained.
What I find interesting is the Ns had a canister type filter. Then they went to the spin on type on the Hundreds. Then back to a canister on the early 3 cylinder models for about 3 years. Then they returned to a spin on filter and continued with them till into the 1990s.



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gears

02-07-2014 08:35:35
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 Re: Upgrades and add-ons - opinions? in reply to gears, 02-07-2014 06:39:28  
FEL isn't likely to materialize any time soon so I'll need more front ballast than the logging chains hanging off the front bumper - I've been looking at making my own front concrete weights to fit inside the back of the rim but as it's -8 right now I won't be mixing and quickcrete till the spring... so I sit here at work and the mind runs wild with possibilities.



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old

02-07-2014 14:02:44
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 Re: Upgrades and add-ons - opinions? in reply to gears, 02-07-2014 08:35:35  
Suit case weights on the bump work well and easy on and off as needed



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kylemorley

02-07-2014 08:59:51
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 Re: Upgrades and add-ons - opinions? in reply to gears, 02-07-2014 08:35:35  
Front end ballast is problematic with the n-series, because other then the wheels, the only place to put weight conveniently is on the front bumper or axle, and this really limits how much you can add. So the idea of concrete wheel weights is a good one.

I use a bolt that fits in the trailer ball hole in my bumpers to hold iron weight lifting weights I bring back from the dump. It only holds maybe 60lbs but that really helps with the back carrier.

The Red Rock safety brake levers are a real nice touch, and can save your life.

Oh if you really want to go crazy google Zane Live Thang or Hokie Hydraulics.

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howdy1960

02-07-2014 08:16:04
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 Re: Upgrades and add-ons - opinions? in reply to gears, 02-07-2014 06:39:28  
Not being as good at thinking as most of these folks, I'm thinking if you have a FEL shouldn't that add enough weight to offset the wood carrier? I do know FEL makes steering harder.



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