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Ed Douglas

01-23-2014 20:02:08




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Hi All,
Picking up a 45 2N......Gotta question about rear axel seals.
Seeing some seepage on the port drum/axel area....I questioned a local NH dealer regarding seal availability......he told me to just count on replacing the axels as well......he was adamant!...."You replace just the seals on a 70 year old axel....It will be running out the first time you mow your side hill"....further claimed.....both the seals and the axels wear and believe me...you will be doing it twice....since this will be my first go at 2n axel seals.....thoughts on that one???......I have never heard that one before!!

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Hobo,NC

01-25-2014 17:39:50




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 Re: Axel Seals in reply to mbramble, 01-23-2014 20:02:08  
Its not a EZ kill so I would put it off if I could also... I price them high enuff to run them off :wink:



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Ed Douglas

01-25-2014 18:05:32




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 Re: Axel Seals in reply to Hobo,NC, 01-25-2014 17:39:50  
Well, Gotta have a plan!! LOL



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Ed Douglas

01-25-2014 07:10:42




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 Re: Axel Seals in reply to Ed Douglas, 01-23-2014 20:02:08  
Thanks again guys for all the replies.....tips...and suggestions!
I am looking forward to the adventure.......I think!!!
Think this will be a April project......it is like 2 degrees outside.....I will be beating on the forum tom tom's again!



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Hobo,NC

01-24-2014 19:15:25




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 Re: Axel Seals in reply to L.B,, 01-23-2014 20:02:08  
Keep yer 20 then you will need to come up with $105 to complete the deal... :D
http://forums.yesterdaystractors.com/viewtopic.php?t=707873&highlight=outer



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Hobo,NC

01-24-2014 18:55:25




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 Re: Axel Seals in reply to WW2N, 01-23-2014 20:02:08  
Sounds reasonable to me to do the job correct and not haft arse it by driving SS over the original issue...

Learn the correct way to do it then decide if you want to cheap out and haft arse it with SS only...



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Ed Douglas

01-24-2014 19:07:13




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 Re: Axel Seals in reply to Hobo,NC, 01-24-2014 18:55:25  
I am with you Hobo.....if I pull the axels.....have a dealer with the required press...tools...etc...install OEM seals.......Shoot....I am 55.......I got a 20 dollar bill in my wallet that says I will be past caring....past anything when they need replacement!!



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GarryinNC

01-24-2014 17:05:29




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 Re: Axel Seals in reply to Ed Douglas, 01-23-2014 20:02:08  
We have a machinist here that turns the axles down slightly and makes and installs a sleeve for them. It gives the seal a new sealing surface (obviously). A cousin just had two done. I cannot remember exactly much, but it was very reasonable, as I remember. Will check. This was on an 8N. Is 9N/2N the same?

Garry



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soundguy

01-24-2014 17:19:09




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 Re: Axel Seals in reply to GarryinNC, 01-24-2014 17:05:29  
9n/2n and 8n axles are quite different.. not saying you cannot build up and remachine a surface if you wanted to.



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soundguy

01-24-2014 16:29:33




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 Re: Axel Seals in reply to Ed Douglas, 01-23-2014 20:02:08  
I'll stop just shy of saying the dealer is 100% FOS...

IF the axle seal surface is trashed.. you would have to repalce it. or find a way to fix the seal surface..

manu just use sure seals and go with it and have no issues.



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Ed Douglas

01-24-2014 19:01:13




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 Re: Axel Seals in reply to soundguy, 01-24-2014 16:29:33  
After talking further with him...... SoundGuy ....100% FOS about covers it.......now the real question.......Sure Seals.......or remove the axels...and let the Dealer replace inner and outer OEM seals??....I don't have a press big enough for the R and R



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soundguy

01-25-2014 13:32:15




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 Re: Axel Seals in reply to Ed Douglas, 01-24-2014 19:01:13  
i'd do both oe seals and sure seals after packing the bearing.

I believe some here have made a press jig to do it.. that or get a machine shop to do it.



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Ed Douglas

01-25-2014 15:22:40




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 Re: Axel Seals in reply to soundguy, 01-25-2014 13:32:15  
Okay Soundguy....see if I got this.....I was gonna remove the axels myself.....I don't have a press big enough for the job....nor the jig folks have made to press them on......the local NH dealer said if I brought in the axels.....the job would be 125.00....certainly less than the cost of making the jig.....larger press....etc.....so...you think sure seals over OEM seal??......think the NH dealer would press them on as well?? Regarding SSeals......do Dealers even know about SS...who makes them??

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soundguy

01-25-2014 15:36:01




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 Re: Axel Seals in reply to Ed Douglas, 01-25-2014 15:22:40  
if he thinks you have to get a new axle vs reapiring one.. I don't know how savy he is about sure seals.

however I believe tisco may carry them.

if ou don't have the jig or tools, then yeah.. paying someone else to do it is no big deal.

I have a machinist near me do some of my large work if I can't do it via home press etc.



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Ed Douglas

01-25-2014 17:33:04




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 Re: Axel Seals in reply to soundguy, 01-25-2014 15:36:01  
Thanks Brother....gonna be a spring project.....I will post back!



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xj43

01-24-2014 08:26:05




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 Re: Axel Seals in reply to Ed Douglas, 01-23-2014 20:02:08  

and if you decide to change the outer seal also you are going to need something like this and a large press to get the hub and bearing off, and some heat to get a new locking collar on.



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xj43

01-24-2014 08:20:00




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 Re: Axel Seals in reply to Ed Douglas, 01-23-2014 20:02:08  

here is a picture of a sure seal installed.



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Keith Calhoun

01-24-2014 07:35:05




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 Re: Axel Seals in reply to Ed Douglas, 01-23-2014 20:02:08  
Ed - I am 99% sure you can not get a new axle for a 9N/2N tractor... That being said, replace the outer seal is a chore as you have to pull the outer axle bearing and retainer to change that seal. I did it to my 2N and greased the bearings and install sure seals instead of letting the oil lube the bearing and count 100% on the outer seal. If you need more info when you get there, post and you'll get teh help you need. Keith

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HCooke

01-24-2014 06:51:15




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 Re: Axel Seals in reply to Ed Douglas, 01-23-2014 20:02:08  
Ed, Not an expert, but I have six 9/2 Ns at last count. I have put Sure Seals in them and have no leakage problems.



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Fuddy Duddy

01-24-2014 05:06:00




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 Re: Axel Seals in reply to Ed Douglas, 01-23-2014 20:02:08  
And where are you suppose to get these new axles from? I didn't think anyone was still making them for a 2N. I know you can still get them for an 8N. But a 2N?



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Ed Douglas

01-24-2014 06:20:13




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 Re: Axel Seals in reply to Fuddy Duddy, 01-24-2014 05:06:00  
Now I am really confused.....he did mention after market!



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Fuddy Duddy

01-24-2014 06:38:40




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 Re: Axel Seals in reply to Ed Douglas, 01-24-2014 06:20:13  
They may be out there some where. I looked for them on this site and Googled them and didn't find any.



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Ed Douglas

01-24-2014 13:31:46




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 Re: Axel Seals in reply to Fuddy Duddy, 01-24-2014 06:38:40  
Sorry Guys.....it is confirmed....no aftermarket 9/2n axels......either he mis-heard me.....or I mis-spoke!!!!

Be that as it may......he said if I bring hime the axels.....he would install inner and outer seals for about 125.00.....What think ye....as I don't have a press big enough for that job!!!!



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John Schmincke

01-23-2014 20:12:22




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 Re: Axel Seals in reply to Ed Douglas, 01-23-2014 20:02:08  
Oh boy. I'm gonna stay tuned for this one. Thanks for asking the gurus Ed.
John



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Ed Douglas

01-23-2014 21:40:07




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 Re: Axel Seals in reply to John Schmincke, 01-23-2014 20:12:22  
Yeah...really!



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