6 volt to 12 volt eletronic conversion

just purchased a ford 8n with 6 volt & was wanting
to get rid of the points & convert it to a
electronic ignition ...,can anybody recommend a
parts list or specific brands i will need so i can
start shopping via e-bay or ?
thank you so much & merry CHRISTmas

Pertronix is the only game in town, other brands that fit inside these distributors are simply re-badged Pertronix units.

Figure out for SURE if it will remain 6 or 12 Volt, (-) or (-) ground, then look 'er up in the catalog. (THIS site sells them.)
Pertronix Ignition

thank you bob
can you or somebody else tell me what all i will need to convert it
1. 12 volt battery
2. alternator
3.?
4.?
5.?
6.?

To help you help your self we need info like is it a front of side mount distributor?? Makes a difference as to many things.
12 volt battery
Alternator like say from a 1980 Chev pick up np power no AC
A diode or small light bulb or resister in the excite circuit of the alternator
A true 12 volt coil or a ballast resister
And of course having it wired up correctly

side distributor

nevermind i'll just answer my own question...hey gc here is a good topic from this forum that i'm pretty sure is what your looking for.
best wishes
gary christian
http://www.yesterdaystractors.com/articles/artint8.htm

while that is an ok generic article.. it does not give full and in some cases.. accurate details.

For your side mount.. get a napa ic14sb coil and use no resistors

for an alternator, a napa 213-4011B will get you a 3 wire 10SI alternator

easy to come up with your own brackets.

you will want new lamps.

solenoid and starter and start switch and key switch will continue to work. I'd replace the fuse int he lamp switch to accomodate the lower current rating needed for the higher voltage lamps. typical 55w 12v lamps use ~ 5a each.. that a lamp circuit for 2 lamps can be fused at 15fa and be fine.

a marker lamp with a 194 bulb in line from switched side of key to #1 spade n alt will make it self energize. #2 spade loops to charge stud.

if you prefer a diode instead.. a 1n5408 will work.. but so will radio shack 276-1661 or 276-1141, stripe on diode towards alternator.

Pay attention to what soundguy is telling you. There are at least a dozen guys around here that can do a 12v conversion blindfolded & he is one of them.

That being said.......from my experience, I've only found two reasons to convert an N to 12v: If you need to run 12v equipment (sprayers, pumps, lights, etc) or your N has poor compression (like less than 90 lbs) and you do not want to rebuild it, then a 12v conversion makes sense. If an N is hard to start in cold weather (or any weather) find out why & fix it! These tractors have low compression, low HP engines and will start just fine on 6v. There is nothing inherently 'wrong' w/ a 12v conversion. The problem is that there are about 6 different ways to convert the tractor to 12v, all of them work, and an infinite number of ways to do it wrong. That is what soundguy is telling you. If you have a basic understanding of tractor mechanics, you can buy a quality kit & do it correctly. Or, you can buy an alternator & fabricate brackets if you are skilled at that sort of stuff. Of course, if you have a basic understanding of tractor mechanics, you could just as easily fix the problem that you are trying to cure with the 12v conversion. Most problems we read about w/ 12v conversions are as a result of folks getting in over their heads trying to fabricate a conversion, using inferior kits or using kits w/ directions written in Chinese, or buying tractors w/ "Bubba" conversions and now the new owner is stuck with trying to figure it out. I can tell you that a wage earning mechanic known to many of us on this board summed up every conversion kit he was familiar with by saying that all are bad & some are worse. He makes his own for that very reason.
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Buy a TISCO 12V conversion kit it has all the good stuff you will need to convert it and be done with it... No one else makes a good kit for a N that I know of...

If it were me I would use the tisco alt bracket set, a tisco alt pulley and a tisco 6V wiring harness are if you harness is in good shape use it... I would call advance auto for the alt and alt connector... Not that it would be any cheaper...

As for the bracket I would challenge anyone to fab up one better than tisco offers,,, I know I would win cuzz most are proud of their waiting to fall off sud-par hacked up all thread banjo work...

If you want 12V go for it... I don't read what the na-sayers have to say any more I wounder why they babble along about it... I have came to the conclusion they don't like and don't want anyone else to try anything they don't understand....

While I will agree with Bruce on most things I will not on 6 volt. I'm in MN. I have 3 tractors that started life as 6 volt tractors. 2 8N's and a Farmall M. All three have good compression and nothing wrong with the electrical system, carburetor or any engine related thing. All of them started on 6 volts down to about 0 F degrees. After that they had to be pre-heated or jumped. All have been converted to 12 volt and now all will start at -15F or so, the M down to about -25F without pre-heat or a jump. I have never seen a 6 volt system that started well at 0 F or below without help. I have a 1206 IH diesel that will start at -10F with the either assist.

Sorry Bruce.

Rick

(quoted from post at 01:20:47 12/18/13) While I will agree with Bruce on most things I will not on 6 volt. I'm in MN. I have 3 tractors that started life as 6 volt tractors. 2 8N's and a Farmall M. All three have good compression and nothing wrong with the electrical system, carburetor or any engine related thing. All of them started on 6 volts down to about 0 F degrees. After that they had to be pre-heated or jumped. All have been converted to 12 volt and now all will start at -15F or so, the M down to about -25F without pre-heat or a jump. I have never seen a 6 volt system that started well at 0 F or below without help. I have a 1206 IH diesel that will start at -10F with the either assist.

Sorry Bruce.

Rick

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ll of us don't live in inhospitable places!

" Sorry Bruce."

No offense Rick, but I agree w/ Jesse: if it's too cold for my 6v tractors, it's too cold for me!


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(quoted from post at 04:02:49 12/18/13) Buy a TISCO 12V conversion kit it has all the good stuff you will need to convert it and be done with it... No one else makes a good kit for a N that I know of...

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Hey, Hobo... is the kit from YT a good one (i.e., is it a TISCO)??

I have a well used 9N that is strictly a worker, attached to a manure spreader that needs dumped twice a week. It runs fine (well, it did until earlier this week, have to sort that issue out) but I can't get it started without a 12V jump. It needs a battery and probably a tune up, and I don't want to buy another 6V battery so I'm thinking that while it's down (will use the 8N on the spreader) I'll just do a conversion and end my suffering... dragging the lawn and garden battery and cables out to it to get it going.

(quoted from post at 09:09:54 12/17/13) just purchased a ford 8n with 6 volt & was wanting
to get rid of the points & convert it to a
electronic ignition ...,can anybody recommend a
parts list or specific brands i will need so i can
start shopping via e-bay or ?
thank you so much & merry CHRISTmas

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Being a believer in Electronic Ignition, I can say it works great and has for 14 years on my '49 8N. Since I installed it, there hasn't been any replacement of parts or any maintenance other
then new s. plugs.
There's a place near me about 183,400 feet...actual about 35 miles that makes the best....no question about it... The location is Owasso, Ok. LINK: Genesse Products LLC. You get all the parts you need to convert to 12 volts...the only way. You strip all the old wiring, voltage regulator, resistor, gut the distributor, discard the box coil, etc. Here is the list (items) you will get.

#7127 12v. Conversion Kit. (includes 3 wire alternator GM brand.
#2150 .625 Pulley (installed) on alternator
#1508 Bracket Kit.
#232 12 v. Wiring Kit
#2133 Dacton Voltmeter. Installed right in the old hole where
amp meter was.
#2156A HVX Series Round 12v. coil
#4107 Ford FM w/coil Kit

And all the instructions on how to install the conversion.

Make the call...918-274-8000. Andy is the man.
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Well good morning Fred! AKA Skeeter, Skeeterman & most recently on this forum, 8N1949.

We haven't seen you around here since we asked about your war record.....you know, the record that the POW Network outed you on as being fraudulent.
Fred the Fraud

(quoted from post at 06:55:58 12/18/13) " Sorry Bruce."

No offense Rick, but I agree w/ Jesse: if it's too cold for my 6v tractors, it's too cold for me!


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None taken Bruce. If it wasn't for the wife's family (crazy Norwegians) we'd move. I hate the - degree days with a passion.

Funny but my wife wanted to put up small square bales for feeding the beef. I insisted on big rounds. We compromised and did some of each. I blew my knee out (couldn't climb on a tractor for 2 weeks) and she insisted that she would feed the idiot cubes instead of calling my nephew to put in a round bale. She was sold on round bales after 2 days of feeding at -15 plus the wind chill from a 25-30 MPH wind.

Rick

The wife & I do a twice daily 1 mile "death march" w/ the dogs around the pasture. At 30*, I'm whining. And were keeping up a good military pace, but I'm still freakin' cold!

A cousin, born & raised here in VA, moved to FL w/ one of his wives 20 years ago; he now refuses to visit VA between Labor Day & Memorial Day. He says his blood will freeze. I'm beginning to agree w/ him!

(quoted from post at 17:13:46 12/18/13) The wife & I do a twice daily 1 mile "death march" w/ the dogs around the pasture. At 30*, I'm whining. And were keeping up a good military pace, but I'm still freakin' cold!

A cousin, born & raised here in VA, moved to FL w/ one of his wives 20 years ago; he now refuses to visit VA between Labor Day & Memorial Day. He says his blood will freeze. I'm beginning to agree w/ him!

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LOL we hit 30 today, was very nice, considering that we've been as cold as -23 this winter already. Spent most of my day yesterday working on the loader tractor outside. Got up to about 25 but the wind was bad, 25 with gust to 35.

Rick

Now here's an old debating trick.
If you can find your opponent incorrect (or fraudulent) on one issue you can make him LOOK incorrect on everything else he says.
I don't know who Fred, Skeeter, Pecan Oakie, etc is nor do I care.
His military service or lack thereof has no bearing on his comments about EI.

You're correct. That's not the point.

The point is he has filled up various forums, including this one, w/ his BS war record.

And, more to the point here, if you want to check the archives, his knowledge of tractor mechanics is sorely lacking.

These are a few examples of his "advice" on this forum. There are more out there.

1. My EI doesn’t have a rotor & I don’t need to time it (Aug, 2009) “On the Genesee Electronic kit, you only keep the outer shell of the distributor. All the other parts inside you discard in the trash bin. No rotor button, no worry about "timing" the distributor, etc. "

2. Need a new tractor? Check out Ford NH (January 18, 2010) “Ford New Holland is coming out with a "Original" 8N tractor, just like the old one...same engine, same fenders, hoods, you wouldn't tell the old versus the new apart."

3. My EI doesn’t have any transistors in it (January 25, 2010) “ Genesee Electronic Ignition system doesn't have any transistors...”

4. Don’t worry about that OEM bendix busting when you convert to 12v. Mine never has, therefore, 2 rebuild shops as well as the instructions from Genesee for a 12v conversion are wrong. (January 18, 2010)

5. If you strip the threads out of your OEM sediment bowl, rather than replace it for $18, buy an electric fuel shut-off valve for $60……which you must screw into those stripped threads in the sediment bowl. (January 26, 2010)