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greywolf224

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Does anyone know the info behind my Vickers vane pump that I have on my Dear born 19-70 front end loader.(See picts) Specifically gpm flow and PSI. It doesn't leak at all and powers the loader perfectly. But I want to know what I am working with so I know what I need to build.

Since I removed the loader (for now)I want to use it to create a live PTO using the test port and also setting up some remote rear ports to power a few other things.

My idea is to remount the pump (Thanks to the Old Hokie who is fixing my pump bracket) on the front shaft and supply a flow divider so that I can control the flow to the test port down to approx 2.5 gpm and then supply a dual spool valve config under the seat to supply a couple of remote ports.

I don't want to use the current hydraulic system fluid rather mount a remote 5 gallon tank somewhere????? ANY IDEAS

The Old Hokie doesn't know it yet but I will be tapping into him for ideas and parts that i hope he can supply me with.

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If that model number was clearer it would help. Is it a V-20? Pressure is not determined by the model of the pump. Pressure is determined by the setting of the relief valve. Also are you going to use both of these new functions at the same time? If not you may be better off with a splitter. Also for fun right now let us say you are metering off 2.5 GPM from your flow divider. The rest of pump output at what ever pressure your remote function requires will be returned to the reservoir as lost heat energy. You better tell us more. Where is your filter and what is the micron size and GPM capacity? Got a phone number?
 
(quoted from post at 14:17:26 09/14/13) If that model number was clearer it would help. Is it a V-20? Pressure is not determined by the model of the pump. Pressure is determined by the setting of the relief valve. Also are you going to use both of these new functions at the same time? If not you may be better off with a splitter. Also for fun right now let us say you are metering off 2.5 GPM from your flow divider. The rest of pump output at what ever pressure your remote function requires will be returned to the reservoir as lost heat energy. You better tell us more. Where is your filter and what is the micron size and GPM capacity? Got a phone number?
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I dont have the pump with me so I wont be able to tell for another week or so. Didn't know if all those numbers made up the model# or only a few.

I thought of using the flow divider so that I always have access to a live PTO without having any other buttons or levers to push/pull and access to the remotes by using the spool valves.

Wouldn't the lost heat energy also apply if a divider is used? The oil still circulates back to the tank. This would seem common of all hydraulic systems that have a continuosly running pump, no?

Again, thinking of installing remote 5 gallon hydraulic tank probably sitting over pump on the front of the tractor. Dont know micron size of filter cause I dont have one yet. Still trying to design this system. Very curious, how does the micron size come into play?
Also dont know the GPM of the pump that was my original question. I want a system that runs about 12-14 GPM with a 2500-300psi. which I am hoping that the pump I have is close to in specs.

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After putting pen to paper to draw up a diagram, I realized that I was overlooking the fact that I don't want to plumb up to the internal hydraulic oil via the drain plugs, rather I wanted an external mounted tank to supply the remote hydraulics. In doing so I could not also have a live PTO utilizing the TEST port. I wouldn't be keeping the systems isolated.

So is anyone using the internal 5 gallons of hydraulic fluid to supply a 14gpm pump that connects to the TEST port and some remote hydraulic connections?
Just wondering if there is enough fluid to supply everything and still keep the transmission, differential and internal hydraulic system supplied.
 
(quoted from post at 18:53:37 09/14/13) After putting pen to paper to draw up a diagram, I realized that I was overlooking the fact that I don't want to plumb up to the internal hydraulic oil via the drain plugs, rather I wanted an external mounted tank to supply the remote hydraulics. In doing so I could not also have a live PTO utilizing the TEST port. I wouldn't be keeping the systems isolated.

So is anyone using the internal 5 gallons of hydraulic fluid to supply a 14gpm pump that connects to the TEST port and some remote hydraulic connections?
Just wondering if there is enough fluid to supply everything and still keep the transmission, differential and internal hydraulic system supplied.
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Yes. You are pushing the "thermal envelope" with 14 GPM but a lot depends on the duty cycle of the hydraulic loads. A FEL can easily run 3:1 on reservoir capacity and that is exactly how Ford/Dearborn designed their loaders. I believe the internal reservoir on your 19-70 loader is very close to 5 gallons so you could switch to the internal sump (or connect the two) and have the best of both worlds with little or no worry. The only concern is heat dissipation and either way you don't have a problem with your current loads. The 3pt is ZERO additional load and a live hydraulics hookup to your existing loader pump is butt easy - just takes a few $$$ for the plumbing....

TOH
 
(quoted from post at 17:23:28 09/14/13)
(quoted from post at 18:53:37 09/14/13) After putting pen to paper to draw up a diagram, I realized that I was overlooking the fact that I don't want to plumb up to the internal hydraulic oil via the drain plugs, rather I wanted an external mounted tank to supply the remote hydraulics. In doing so I could not also have a live PTO utilizing the TEST port. I wouldn't be keeping the systems isolated.

So is anyone using the internal 5 gallons of hydraulic fluid to supply a 14gpm pump that connects to the TEST port and some remote hydraulic connections?
Just wondering if there is enough fluid to supply everything and still keep the transmission, differential and internal hydraulic system supplied.
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Yes. You are pushing the "thermal envelope" with 14 GPM but a lot depends on the duty cycle of the hydraulic loads. A FEL can easily run 3:1 on reservoir capacity and that is exactly how Ford/Dearborn designed their loaders. I believe the internal reservoir on your 19-70 loader is very close to 5 gallons so you could switch to the internal sump (or connect the two) and have the best of both worlds with little or no worry. The only concern is heat dissipation and either way you don't have a problem with your current loads. The 3pt is ZERO additional load and a live hydraulics hookup to your existing loader pump is butt easy - just takes a few $$$ for the plumbing....

TOH
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TOH interested in a few of ur hydraulic fittings. Specifically the test port fitting so that i can attach a 3/8" pressure hose for live pro and the trany cover filler fitting so that i plumb a return. Thinking that to save some shipping you can send them back along with the pump bracket.
 
(quoted from post at 11:40:06 09/15/13)
(quoted from post at 17:23:28 09/14/13)
(quoted from post at 18:53:37 09/14/13) After putting pen to paper to draw up a diagram, I realized that I was overlooking the fact that I don't want to plumb up to the internal hydraulic oil via the drain plugs, rather I wanted an external mounted tank to supply the remote hydraulics. In doing so I could not also have a live PTO utilizing the TEST port. I wouldn't be keeping the systems isolated.

So is anyone using the internal 5 gallons of hydraulic fluid to supply a 14gpm pump that connects to the TEST port and some remote hydraulic connections?
Just wondering if there is enough fluid to supply everything and still keep the transmission, differential and internal hydraulic system supplied.
Click to expand...

Yes. You are pushing the "thermal envelope" with 14 GPM but a lot depends on the duty cycle of the hydraulic loads. A FEL can easily run 3:1 on reservoir capacity and that is exactly how Ford/Dearborn designed their loaders. I believe the internal reservoir on your 19-70 loader is very close to 5 gallons so you could switch to the internal sump (or connect the two) and have the best of both worlds with little or no worry. The only concern is heat dissipation and either way you don't have a problem with your current loads. The 3pt is ZERO additional load and a live hydraulics hookup to your existing loader pump is butt easy - just takes a few $$$ for the plumbing....

TOH
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TOH interested in a few of ur hydraulic fittings. Specifically the test port fitting so that i can attach a 3/8" pressure hose for live pro and the trany cover filler fitting so that i plumb a return. Thinking that to save some shipping you can send them back along with the pump bracket.
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You are going to need considerably more than the fittings. You will need a flow divider for the test port supply and I would also suggest you put a check valve on the test port line to prevent reverse flows. If you try to force feed the 3pt at 14 GPM the lift will go to the top very quickly and you won't be able to get it back down. The maximum you can feed it is about 2+ GPM. And any oil you send to the test port has to be taken from the internal pump's sump. If you send in oil from an external loader reservoir will simply pump the loader dry and fill the rear end to the top. Call me and we can discuss what you have in mind. It's not hard to do but you have to balance the flows.

TOH
 
(quoted from post at 10:09:19 09/15/13)
(quoted from post at 11:40:06 09/15/13)
(quoted from post at 17:23:28 09/14/13)
(quoted from post at 18:53:37 09/14/13) After putting pen to paper to draw up a diagram, I realized that I was overlooking the fact that I don't want to plumb up to the internal hydraulic oil via the drain plugs, rather I wanted an external mounted tank to supply the remote hydraulics. In doing so I could not also have a live PTO utilizing the TEST port. I wouldn't be keeping the systems isolated.

So is anyone using the internal 5 gallons of hydraulic fluid to supply a 14gpm pump that connects to the TEST port and some remote hydraulic connections?
Just wondering if there is enough fluid to supply everything and still keep the transmission, differential and internal hydraulic system supplied.
Click to expand...

Yes. You are pushing the "thermal envelope" with 14 GPM but a lot depends on the duty cycle of the hydraulic loads. A FEL can easily run 3:1 on reservoir capacity and that is exactly how Ford/Dearborn designed their loaders. I believe the internal reservoir on your 19-70 loader is very close to 5 gallons so you could switch to the internal sump (or connect the two) and have the best of both worlds with little or no worry. The only concern is heat dissipation and either way you don't have a problem with your current loads. The 3pt is ZERO additional load and a live hydraulics hookup to your existing loader pump is butt easy - just takes a few $$$ for the plumbing....

TOH
Click to expand...

TOH interested in a few of ur hydraulic fittings. Specifically the test port fitting so that i can attach a 3/8" pressure hose for live pro and the trany cover filler fitting so that i plumb a return. Thinking that to save some shipping you can send them back along with the pump bracket.
Click to expand...

You are going to need considerably more than the fittings. You will need a flow divider for the test port supply and I would also suggest you put a check valve on the test port line to prevent reverse flows. If you try to force feed the 3pt at 14 GPM the lift will go to the top very quickly and you won't be able to get it back down. The maximum you can feed it is about 2+ GPM. And any oil you send to the test port has to be taken from the internal pump's sump. If you send in oil from an external loader reservoir will simply pump the loader dry and fill the rear end to the top. Call me and we can discuss what you have in mind. It's not hard to do but you have to balance the flows.

TOH
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TOH I drew up some plans that I want you to look over so you have an idea of what I am trying to do before we talk. Can I get them to you some how. It's a Microsoft Word document.
 
(quoted from post at 20:24:06 09/15/13)
(quoted from post at 10:09:19 09/15/13)
(quoted from post at 11:40:06 09/15/13)
(quoted from post at 17:23:28 09/14/13)
(quoted from post at 18:53:37 09/14/13) After putting pen to paper to draw up a diagram, I realized that I was overlooking the fact that I don't want to plumb up to the internal hydraulic oil via the drain plugs, rather I wanted an external mounted tank to supply the remote hydraulics. In doing so I could not also have a live PTO utilizing the TEST port. I wouldn't be keeping the systems isolated.

So is anyone using the internal 5 gallons of hydraulic fluid to supply a 14gpm pump that connects to the TEST port and some remote hydraulic connections?
Just wondering if there is enough fluid to supply everything and still keep the transmission, differential and internal hydraulic system supplied.
Click to expand...

Yes. You are pushing the "thermal envelope" with 14 GPM but a lot depends on the duty cycle of the hydraulic loads. A FEL can easily run 3:1 on reservoir capacity and that is exactly how Ford/Dearborn designed their loaders. I believe the internal reservoir on your 19-70 loader is very close to 5 gallons so you could switch to the internal sump (or connect the two) and have the best of both worlds with little or no worry. The only concern is heat dissipation and either way you don't have a problem with your current loads. The 3pt is ZERO additional load and a live hydraulics hookup to your existing loader pump is butt easy - just takes a few $$$ for the plumbing....

TOH
Click to expand...

TOH interested in a few of ur hydraulic fittings. Specifically the test port fitting so that i can attach a 3/8" pressure hose for live pro and the trany cover filler fitting so that i plumb a return. Thinking that to save some shipping you can send them back along with the pump bracket.
Click to expand...

You are going to need considerably more than the fittings. You will need a flow divider for the test port supply and I would also suggest you put a check valve on the test port line to prevent reverse flows. If you try to force feed the 3pt at 14 GPM the lift will go to the top very quickly and you won't be able to get it back down. The maximum you can feed it is about 2+ GPM. And any oil you send to the test port has to be taken from the internal pump's sump. If you send in oil from an external loader reservoir will simply pump the loader dry and fill the rear end to the top. Call me and we can discuss what you have in mind. It's not hard to do but you have to balance the flows.

TOH
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TOH I drew up some plans that I want you to look over so you have an idea of what I am trying to do before we talk. Can I get them to you some how. It's a Microsoft Word document.
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Simply send email with the file as an attachment.

TOH
 
So after cleaning up the pump and taking better picts, the actual number on the Vickers pump is: V250-5-6A-12-S7 LH. There is a "59 stamped under the 5 that seemed to have been put there at some other time since the stamping is different than the rest of the numbers and letters.

I reached out to Zip at Knight Hawk Hydraulic supply who commented that the pump is rated at 5gpm at 1200rpm. Below is the pict. Does anyone yhink different. Is there a way to accurately measure the flow rate?

I would have thought that the pump ford used on my loader with 2 DA and 2 SA cylinders was rated higher than 5GPM. Kind of a let down since I was hoping it was rated at a higher 10 gpm to run a remote hydraulic logsplitter.

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So after cleaning up the pump and taking better picts, the actual number on the Vickers pump is: V250-5-6A-12-S7 LH. There is a "59 stamped under the 5 that seemed to have been put there at some other time since the stamping is different than the rest of the numbers and letters.

I reached out to Zip at Knight Hawk Hydraulic supply who commented that the pump is rated at 5gpm at 1200rpm. Below is the pict. Does anyone yhink different. Is there a way to accurately measure the flow rate?

I would have thought that the pump ford used on my loader with 2 DA and 2 SA cylinders was rated higher than 5GPM. Kind of a let down since I was hoping it was rated at a higher 10 gpm to run a remote hydraulic logsplitter.

mvphoto21239.jpg
 
(quoted from post at 08:50:34 10/06/13) So after cleaning up the pump and taking better picts, the actual number on the Vickers pump is: V250-5-6A-12-S7 LH. There is a "59 stamped under the 5 that seemed to have been put there at some other time since the stamping is different than the rest of the numbers and letters.

I reached out to Zip at Knight Hawk Hydraulic supply who commented that the pump is rated at 5gpm at 1200rpm. Below is the pict. Does anyone yhink different. Is there a way to accurately measure the flow rate?

I would have thought that the pump ford used on my loader with 2 DA and 2 SA cylinders was rated higher than 5GPM. Kind of a let down since I was hoping it was rated at a higher 10 gpm to run a remote hydraulic logsplitter.
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These are fixed displacement pumps. So if the pump is 5 GPM @ 1200 RPM at 2000 engine RPM it is (2000/1200) x 5 = 8.3 GPM which is adequate for an N-series size loader but a little skimpy for a 4" log splitter. The good news is it sounds like the single spool valve I already have on the shelf will work fine for your kit.

If you want to measure the flow rate just put the suction hose in a 5 gallon bucket full of hydraulic oil and measure the length of time it takes to pump it dry. But in the end - it is what it is......

TOH

PS> I found this brochure on the loader which says teh pump is 7.5 GPM @ 1800 RPM which is dead on Zip's 5 GPM number.

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(quoted from post at 06:36:02 10/06/13)

These are fixed displacement pumps. So if the pump is 5 GPM @ 1200 RPM at 2000 engine RPM it is (2000/1200) x 5 = 8.3 GPM which is adequate for an N-series size loader but a little skimpy for a 4" log splitter. The good news is it sounds like the single spool valve I already have on the shelf will work fine for your kit.

If you want to measure the flow rate just put the suction hose in a 5 gallon bucket full of hydraulic oil and measure the length of time it takes to pump it dry. But in the end - it is what it is......


TOH

PS> I found this brochure on the loader which says teh pump is 7.5 GPM @ 1800 RPM which is dead on Zip's 5 GPM number.

TOH Thanks. I figured it was but I was just hoping it was rated a bit higher.
Believe it or not that's the way that I tested the pump today. From bucket to bucket it rated about a 5-7 gpm depending on the speed of the engine.
You wouldn't happen to have a 2 spool valve sitting on that self would you??? I have an idea to run two cylinders one as a top link and the other connected to a boom pole.

Anxious to get working on this.

Thanks
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(quoted from post at 18:58:58 10/06/13)
(quoted from post at 06:36:02 10/06/13)

These are fixed displacement pumps. So if the pump is 5 GPM @ 1200 RPM at 2000 engine RPM it is (2000/1200) x 5 = 8.3 GPM which is adequate for an N-series size loader but a little skimpy for a 4" log splitter. The good news is it sounds like the single spool valve I already have on the shelf will work fine for your kit.

If you want to measure the flow rate just put the suction hose in a 5 gallon bucket full of hydraulic oil and measure the length of time it takes to pump it dry. But in the end - it is what it is......


TOH

PS> I found this brochure on the loader which says teh pump is 7.5 GPM @ 1800 RPM which is dead on Zip's 5 GPM number.

TOH Thanks. I figured it was but I was just hoping it was rated a bit higher.
Believe it or not that's the way that I tested the pump today. From bucket to bucket it rated about a 5-7 gpm depending on the speed of the engine.
You wouldn't happen to have a 2 spool valve sitting on that self would you??? I have an idea to run two cylinders one as a top link and the other connected to a boom pole.

Anxious to get working on this.

Thanks
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Nope but I can get one along with the other stuff. Just say "go".

TOH
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