9N no spark so no start

diverdave

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My 9N wont start. No spark. I have searched the forums and haven't found my specific problem.

The 9n flooded when a river rose. It came up to just over the starter.

I replaced the fluids. Rebuilt / cleaned the carburator. Engine turns over but can't get spark. 6V system with positive ground. Front mount distributor. The battery is not new but started the tractor before flooding and was not flooded. It has been charged.

Replaced all the wiring/electronics including coil, distributor, rotor, points, capacitor, plugs, plug wires, wiring harness, cutout relay, starter switch, key switch and resistor

Local mechanic said I needed 6V at coil. I get 6 v up to resistor through key switch, but downstream of resistor it is about 2.5 volts which is only 2.5 volts at coil.

I tried jumping around the resistor so I had 6V at coil. Still nothing

Could I have messed up timing when I replaced the rotor package? I had to pull everything out and undid a screw/plate on left side.
 
Welcome to the forum Dave, what part of Michigan are you from?
As for the 9N, most likely something simple that just got missed.
From your voltage readings, I would say your points are closed or grounded.
Does that 2.5 Volts at the top of the coil change when the engine is turned over?
That would be about the right voltage when they are closed, but
should increase to 6 volts when the engine is turned so they are open.
If it never changes, something is probably grounded inside the distributor.
The little connector where the condenser hooks in can get pressed
in too far and ground out, the insulator at that connection can break,
the spring that holds the breaker plate in can ground things out if it
is not positioned right, or maybe the points just are not opening correctly.
If you have an Ohm meter you can check that using continuity test on the bench.
Let us know what you find, I'm sure you'll get plenty of help here.
 
Before you check anything else, make sure you have the correct voltage at the top of the coil. It should be battery voltage w/ the points open & about half that w/ the points closed.

Next, make sure your battery is fully charged. Don't guess; put it on a charger.

You need a strong battery to:
1. Close the solenoid
2. Spin the starter
3. Engage the bendix
4. Provide voltage to the coil.
As the battery gets weaker, the first thing to fail is your spark. If the battery is almost totally dead, all you will hear is the solenoid clicking.

The more current you use to spin the starter, the less you have for the ignition.

Assuming that the bushings & advance weights are ok, & that you have correct voltage to the coil, the most common electrical failure (no spark, weak spark) points on the frontmount are:

The insulator under the brass concave head screw & where the copper strip attaches. (it’s fiber & will wear out; poke & prod w/ your meter leads to make sure it still works)

The pigtail at the bottom of the coil not making contact w/ the concave head brass screw inside the distributor. (With the coil on, the pigtail must firmly contact the brass screw. No contact = no spark.

The copper strip is broken or grounded to the plate. (look very carefully for cracks & breaks)

The condenser wire grounding to the plate or side of the distributor.

The tab on the bottom of the coil not making contact w/ the brass button on the cap. (With the cap on, the tab must firmly contact the brass button. No contact = no spark.)

Incorrect positioning of the spring clip on the plate causing the pigtail to ground. (the open part of the clip goes between 7 & 9 o’clock on the plate. That puts the straight part of the clip opposite of the timing screw at 3 o’clock)

Incorrect seating of the coil on the distributor due to a loose bail or no gasket.(the coil must not move at all; if it does, replace the gasket or bail. Or stick some cardboard under the bail).

Water/moisture inside the cap due to gasket failure or the absence of a gasket. (the cap AND coil have gaskets)

Dirty/corroded/burned/incorrectly gapped or misaligned points.

Burned rotor, cracked/carbon tracked cap.

Unless the coil is cracked or shows a dead short, chances are it's fine; square coils rarely fail cold. Pull the distributor & do a continuity check.

First, make sure your meter/light works (don't ask....)

You can change points everyday & it will not fix bad bushings. If you are having trouble w/ points failure, check the shaft. If you detect movement, chances are it needs new bushings.

Inspect the points; if they are pitted or burned, replace them. Next, dress the points by running a piece of card stock or brown paper bag through them. New points sometimes have an anti-corrosive dielectric coating on them & old points can corrode or pick up grease from a dirty feeler gauge or excessive cam lubricant. Make sure the points align correctly. Proper alignment is also critical to longevity. Look at the points when they are closed; both sides should mate evenly. Then, check the gap at .015 on the high point of all 4 cam lobes.

Now, follow these steps:

1. Coil off, cap off, points open. One probe on the brass screw & the other on both sides of the open points. On the side closest to the cam, you should have continuity. Not on the other side! If you do, you will also have continuity everywhere because the points are grounded.

2. Coil off, cap off, points open. One probe on the brass screw & the other anywhere on the body of the distributor. You should have no continuity! Now, rotate the tang on the distributor....as the points open & close, you have continuity (closed) and lose it when they open.

3. Coil on, cap off, points open. One probe on the lead on the top of the coil, the other on the cam side of the open points. You should have continuity!

4. Coil on, cap off, points open. One probe on the lead on the top of the coil, the other anywhere on the body of the distributor. You should have no continuity!

At this point, I just put the distributor, coil & cap all back on the tractor as a unit. The reason I do this is because it is real easy to get the cap or coil mis-aligned trying to put it back together one piece at a time & the result is something gets broken or you get a ‘no spark’ problem.

It's possible to put it back on wrong & break it. Look at the slot on the end of the cam shaft. What ever angle it happens to be, turn the distributor tang to match it. Make sure you can tell the wide side from the narrow side on both the cam & distributor! (close counts) Then place the distributor on the front of the engine, gently push it in place & slowly turn the distributor body until you feel the tang slip into the slot. Rotate the distributor body until the bolt holes line up. Then, hand tighten the two bolts until the distributor body is flush w/ the timing gear cover.

Finally, double check your firing order & plug wires. It’s 1-2-4-3, counterclockwise. It’s very easy to cross 3 & 4.

Post back w/ results & any other questions.
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(reply to post at 18:14:38 08/13/13)

Thanks for your help. Got it running. I had a dead short in the distributor. Spring steel on the points was twisted and made contact with the body. Also cleaned the points. From the Saginaw, MI area. Hardest part of all this was admitting my wife was right when we discussed I not park it near the river. She was right. Good woman, she has only reminded me a couple of times of our conversation.
 
" Good woman, she has only reminded me a couple of times of our conversation. "

A couple times every day? :)

Glad you got it running!
 
"Good woman, she has only reminded me a couple of times"

So far...... LOL
Glad to hear you got it running.
If you get over toward Ionia, look me up!
 

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