ford 9n has no spark!!! 6 volt system

chuck0794

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i recently purchased the 9n. i used it several times brushhogging. the last time i pulled up to the brushhog hooked everything up while the tractor was idiling. i engaged the pto and the tractor stalled.Then i could not get the tractor to start. I checked the spark and didn't find a spark on any of the plugs. i replaced the coil,cap,rotor,condensor and points. i checked for voltage on the coil when the key is on I read 6 volts. When i engage the starter the voltage flucuates from 6 to almost 0 volts using a digital vom. i did gap the point contacts to .015. Any help would be great!!!!!!

thanks
 
Sounds like your points are opening and closing correctly.
Is the coil secondary tab making good contact with the cap?
If not you can clean it and bend it down a bit to see if that helps.
If it is, you may have a bad coil. I wouldn't jump on that just yet,
but its a possibility.
Are there any noticeable cracks in the exterior of the coil?
 
Before you check anything else, make sure you have the correct voltage at the top of the coil. It should be battery voltage w/ the points open & about half that w/ the points closed.

Your hi-tech digital VOM does not like the electrical "noise" made by the points. Use an analog meter.

Next, make sure the battery is fully charged.

Assuming that the bushings & advance weights are ok, & that you have correct voltage to the coil, the most common electrical failure (no spark, weak spark) points on the frontmount are:

1. The insulator under the brass concave head screw & where the copper strip attaches. (it’s fiber & will wear out; poke & prod w/ your meter leads to make sure it still works)

2. The pigtail at the bottom of the coil not making contact w/ the concave head brass screw inside the distributor. (With the coil on, the pigtail must firmly contact the brass screw. No contact = no spark.).

3. The copper strip is broken or grounded to the plate. (look very carefully for cracks & breaks)

4. The condenser wire grounding to the plate or side of the distributor.

5. The tab on the bottom of the coil not making contact w/ the brass button on the cap. (With the cap on, the tab must firmly contact the brass button. No contact = no spark.)

6. Incorrect positioning of the spring clip on the plate causing the pigtail to ground. (the open part of the clip goes between 7 & 9 o’clock on the plate. That puts the straight part of the clip opposite of the timing screw at 3 o’clock)

7. Incorrect seating of the coil on the distributor due to a loose bail or no gasket.(the coil must not move at all; if it does, replace the gasket or bail. Or stick some cardboard under the bail).

8. Water/moisture inside the cap due to gasket failure or the absence of a gasket. (the cap AND coil have gaskets)

9. Dirty/corroded/burned/incorrectly gapped or misaligned points.

10. Burned rotor, cracked/carbon tracked cap.

Unless the coil is cracked or shows a dead short, chances are it's fine; square coils rarely fail cold. Pull the distributor & do a continuity check.

First, make sure your meter/light works (don't ask....)

You can change points everyday & it will not fix bad bushings. If you are having trouble w/ points failure, check the shaft. If you detect movement, chances are it needs new bushings.

Inspect the points; if they are pitted or burned, replace them. Next, dress the points by running a piece of card stock or brown paper bag through them. New points sometimes have an anti-corrosive dielectric coating on them & old points can corrode or pick up grease from a dirty feeler gauge or excessive cam lubricant. Make sure the points align correctly. Proper alignment is also critical to longevity. Look at the points when they are closed; both sides should mate evenly. Then, check the gap at .015 on the high point of all 4 cam lobes.

Now, follow these steps:

1. Coil off, cap off, points open. One probe on the brass screw & the other on both sides of the open points. On the side closest to the cam, you should have continuity. Not on the other side! If you do, you will also have continuity everywhere because the points are grounded.

2. Coil off, cap off, points open. One probe on the brass screw & the other anywhere on the body of the distributor. You should have no continuity! Now, rotate the tang on the distributor....as the points open & close, you have continuity (closed) and lose it when they open.

3. Coil on, cap off, points open. One probe on the lead on the top of the coil, the other on the cam side of the open points. You should have continuity!

4. Coil on, cap off, points open. One probe on the lead on the top of the coil, the other anywhere on the body of the distributor. You should have no continuity!

At this point, I just put the distributor, coil & cap all back on the tractor as a unit. The reason I do this is because it is real easy to get the cap or coil mis-aligned trying to put it back together one piece at a time & the result is something gets broken or you get a ‘no spark’ problem.

It's possible to put it back on wrong & break it. Look at the slot on the end of the cam shaft. What ever angle it happens to be, turn the distributor tang to match it. Make sure you can tell the wide side from the narrow side on both the cam & distributor! (close counts) Then place the distributor on the front of the engine, gently push it in place & slowly turn the distributor body until you feel the tang slip into the slot. Rotate the distributor body until the bolt holes line up. Then, hand tighten the two bolts until the distributor body is flush w/ the timing gear cover.

Finally, double check your firing order & plug wires. It’s 1-2-4-3, counterclockwise. It’s very easy to cross 3 & 4.

Post back w/ results & any other questions.
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Coil is brand new. I tried the old one 2 with the same
results. I'm going to take it apart again to look @ the
gap to make sure. Im getting pretty good @ taking it
apart!!! Lol
 
" I'm going to take it apart again to look @ the
gap"

Well, that's one of at least ten possible causes for a no spark situation.

You might want to check more than one thing at a time while you have the distributor off of the tractor....... ;)
 
Bruce.

I tested it out how u mentioned in your steps. One question I have is the red light is disconnected. It was like that when I brought it home. Is this a problem???
 
Coil is brand new. I tried the old one 2 with the same
results. I'm going to take it apart again to look @ the
gap to make sure. Im getting pretty good @ taking it
apart!!! Lol
 
Made some headway. I pulled the distributor out and tested it for spark on the bench. Plugs were sparking when I turned it manually. Installed on tractor and no spark. Found my ammeter must be giving me grounding issues. I ran a wire directly from the coil to the negative side of battery just to try it. It started right up. I removed the wire immediately. I noticed the ammeter was sparking through the window gauge. Once I shut the tractor off it started up without the wire jumper. The next time it would not start. Is this something common with this gauge???
 
(quoted from post at 23:38:34 07/08/13) Made some headway. I pulled the distributor out and tested it for spark on the bench. Plugs were sparking when I turned it manually. Installed on tractor and no spark. Found my ammeter must be giving me grounding issues. I ran a wire directly from the coil to the negative side of battery just to try it. It started right up. I removed the wire immediately. I noticed the ammeter was sparking through the window gauge. Once I shut the tractor off it started up without the wire jumper. The next time it would not start. Is this something common with this gauge???
bviously not the original "loop" ammeter.......it would never spark inside. So, just replace the already once-replaced ammeter & get on with tractoring.
 
Early 9Ns had a pilot light that lit when the ignition was turned on.Good feature that could be put on any tractor.
 

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