Ford 8n runs for five minutes then dies. Will not restar...

S. Teaford

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Had to pull Ford 8n to get started--starts rights up. Runs for five minutes then cuts off--no missing. You can pull it and it will not restart. Let it set for a while and will start right back up and runs for a while and completed dies without any warming. If this electrical or gas related?? Thanks
 
6 or 12 volt?? Front or side mount distributor?? Can make a difference as to what is wrong. I would try a hot wire from the battery to the coil. If it runs then you have a problem from the distributor back if it still does the same thing could be fuel problem and to check that pull the drain plug from the bottom of the carb and let it flow for a few minutes. Catch the gas to make sure it is not full of water or dirt etc. Also check your spark when it dies should have a good blue white spark that jumps a 1/4 inch gap
 
It is important for you to tell us if your tractor has a 6 volt or 12 volt electrical system & if the distributor is on the front of the engine or on the side. The troubleshooting is different based upon the configuration of your engine.



It takes three things for an engine to run: spark at the right time, compression, & fuel in the right mixture. For the moment, forget about compression & concentrate on narrowing the problem down to spark or fuel.



There are three very important tools you always need to have in your N tool box: a 3 inch piece of wire w/ alligator clips on each end, an old spark plug w/ the gap opened to at least 3/16” ( ¼” is better) and a 7/16 box end wrench. (see tip # 50 at the link below) And, you really do need a working ammeter on the tractor; it is a very important diagnostic tool. With these tools, you can quickly narrow down most N problems to spark or fuel.



Next time it stops, check quickly for fuel then spark. When I say quickly, I mean get off the seat, grab the tools & do it right then. Do not wait a minute or two. First, check for fuel. Get a can & put it under the carb. Remove the bolt in the bottom of the carb; as long as the fuel is turned on, you should see gas flowing out of the carb. Let it run for at least 30 seconds. If it’s a dribble, or runs for 5 seconds & stops, or none at all, you have solved half the problem: it’s fuel related. If gas flows well out of the carb & only stops when you turn it off at the sediment bowl, chances are very good it’s not a fuel problem. So, next, turn the key on, crank the engine & look at the ammeter. What is the needle doing? Does it show a constant discharge, no movement at all, or does it move back & forth slightly? Next, get the old plug, ground it to a rust & paint free spot on the engine, turn the key on & crank the engine. If the spark jumps the 3/16” gap, you probably don’t have a spark problem. If it won’t jump the 3/16” gap, you have a spark problem. If the ammeter needle shows a constant discharge, or doesn’t move at all, that also tells you that you have a spark problem. Jump the ignition switch w/ your jumper wire & see what happens. If it runs, you found the problem. If it doesn’t have spark after you jump the ignition switch, post back for more info on further troubleshooting. (and do not forget to turn the ignition switch off; see tip # 38)



If it does not have gas coming out of the carb at a steady stream w/ the bolt out for at least 30 seconds, you have a fuel problem. First, remove the gas cap. Your vent could be clogged & it vacuum locked. If that doesn’t work, tap the carb bowl w/ a hammer handle in case the float is sticking closed. (don’t whack it w/ the head of the hammer; you can crack the bowl). If you still don’t see gas flowing, the N has three fuel screens; one in the brass elbow, one in the top of the sediment bowl & one on the stem of the sediment bowl in the gas tank. Check the screen in the elbow & the screen in the top of the sediment bowl. (don’t worry about the one in the tank) Both probably need to be cleaned. If you have the fuel knob turned on all the way, & 1 gallon or less in the tank, it may be trying to feed off of the reserve inlet which is probably clogged. Only open it 2 full turns. Put at least 2 gallons in the tank. (and do not forget to turn the gas off; see tip # 9)



There are ways to check for spark & fuel that work & ways that don't. For example, having gas to the carb is nice, but having it past the float is what counts! That’s why removing the 7/16” bolt in the bottom of the carb is the way to check for fuel. And, same thing w/ spark at the plugs. Some folks think that checking for spark means pulling a plug wire off & looking for one. Well, it's the distance the spark jumps at the plug that gives you the info you want. It takes about 17kv to jump a 3/16" gap & 22kv to jump ¼” in the open air. Remember, it’s 14psi outside of the engine & about 90psi at a 6:1 compression ratio in the cylinders & compressed air creates electrical resistance, so you really need the 17-22kv to fire the plugs when the engine is running. A store bought plug checker will work better than an old plug because it won’t shock the snot out of you like an old plug might!
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Teaford........there are 4-common runtime issues with the N-Engine.

1) runs fer about 1-min and quits; restarts innna'bout 5-mins; BAD condenser....NOT yer problem as stated

2) runs fer about 1-hr and quits; restarts after 4-hr cool down; BAD squarecan ignition coil; NOT yer problem

3) runs fer about 15-mins and quits; restarts after'bout 30-mins; BAD weaksister ignition switch, could be yer problem; NEW ignition switch ($10, cheap)

4) runs fer about 5-mins and quits; restarts innna'bout 5-mins; CLOGGED in tank fuel filter. sound like yer problem??? You will haffta un-screw yer glass bulb valve to clean the 2-tubes attached to the glass valve assy.

HTH..........Dell
 
It is a 48ford 8n with a six volt electrical system with the distributor in the front. It use to run for an hour or so before it cut off. Now it run for about five minutes no warning no missing just completely dies.
To get it started when it hasn"t been run for a few day we have to pull it five feet and it will immediately start up. If you try to start it with the starter is won"t fire at all. What is going on???
 
It is a 48ford 8n with a six volt electrical system with the distributor in the front. It use to run for an hour or so before it cut off. Now it run for about five minutes no warning no missing just completely dies.
To get it started when it hasn"t been run for a few day we have to pull it five feet and it will immediately start up. If you try to start it with the starter is won"t fire at all. What is going on???
 
" What is going on??? "

I don't know.

But I did tell you how to find out.

As I said, test for fuel & spark as soon as it stops. It's one or the other.

Post back after you run all of those checks & let us know what you found to be the problem.
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Teaford.......do you ever read the answers to yer querry? Yesterday, I wrote.........there are 4-common runtime issues with the N-Engine.

1) runs fer about 1-min and quits; restarts innna'bout 5-mins; BAD condenser....NOT yer problem as stated

2) runs fer about 1-hr and quits; restarts after 4-hr cool down; BAD squarecan ignition coil; NOT yer problem

3) runs fer about 15-mins and quits; restarts after'bout 30-mins; BAD weaksister ignition switch, could be yer problem; NEW ignition switch ($10, cheap)

4) runs fer about 5-mins and quits; restarts innna'bout 5-mins; CLOGGED in tank fuel filter. sound like yer problem??? You will haffta un-screw yer glass bulb valve to clean the 2-tubes attached to the glass valve assy."

Read response #2, about the squarecan sparkie coil, it'll run fer about 1-Hr and dies
Read response #3, weaksister ignition switch

Heres the deal, some previous shadetree owner "BYPASSED" the infamous ballast resistor for HOTTER sparkies and quicker starting. Well guess what??? That DUMB previous owner has now caused the insulative tar to melt inside the squarecan coil and short out some of the windings and AMAZINGLY enuff, WEAK SPARKIES and hard starting with less-than-stout 6-volt battery. That is WHY you can tow-start yer 8N 'cuz the battery ain't being dragged down by the ignition coil ballast resistor scheme.

HTH........Dell, yer sparkie-meister
 

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