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Dell (WA)

05-06-2013 14:51:36

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there you go Doggy........recommending a technically challenging installation to electrical neubie. You are recommending a $150 electronic ignition ...and... a $150 12V-alternator conversion just to save $20 on points for the weird 4-nipple frontmount dizzy. And you know yer 5-nipple ignition is NOT the same as the 4-nipple frontmount dizzy.

And you can't B-S me about electronic ignition. I scratch built my first EI in 1963 for my 1956 Dodge D-500 Hemi. I also have a CD ignition for my 7000rpm semi-race 165hp dyno'd 1969 BMW 2002. ........respectfully, Dell retired Electronics Engineer

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Ultradog MN

05-06-2013 15:19:40

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 Re: electronic ignition conversion in reply to Dell (WA), 05-06-2013 14:51:36  
And there you go Dell.
Recommending to an electrically challenged newbie that he keep his same antiquated charging and sparkie systems that need constant maintenance and are not as reliable as modern stuff.
And to top it off you have inflated the price on both items since EI for a front mount can be had From this site for about a C note.
A 10si alternator can be had from any auto parts store for about $50 and a 12V battery for about $50.
I recommend he just take it to a ma and pa type shop and spend the extra $100 and have it done.
Then he will likely Never touch his electrical system between battery changes.
Plus he'd have all of the extra benefits of 12V which you with your engineering background can explain better than I.
Of course if everyone did this it would put you out of a job since you seem to think everybody should embrace the learning curve needed to keep it original.
(With a worthless degree in literature who doesn't like messing with automotive electrics if there is a better way)

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05-08-2013 05:39:42

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 Re: electronic ignition conversion in reply to Ultradog MN, 05-06-2013 15:19:40  
where are you getting 50$ batteries that aren't lawn tractor batteries?

( and I'm not doubting you.. i'm asking )

around here, between napa, car quest, auto zone, and discount auto, nad now oreilies.. a small car 12v battery is in the 65$ range.

walmart beats all of them by about 2 bucks on the low end.

a better universal sized truck battery is a whopping 89$

that's the size battery that fully fits all my 00/01 bat trays.. so it's what i buy on my converted machines. has the side benefit in that i can swap them in and outta my diesiel pickup truck ( 2 batteries ) to trade out during the winter so the bats don't just set there.

at work we are an interstate dealer and it's still 79$ for a 'truck' sized megatron.

we used to have a champion battery dealer nearby.. and those IMHO were a lil cheaper than walmart 'yellow' grade bats.

can't find them no more. where are you getting them?

no dekka dealers here either.

locally i can find 10/12 si alts for 29-35$ with a 10-15$ fore.. for a median price of 45$ + tax.. so the 50$ is about bang on for a 10si.

having a core on hand is helpfull. I've managed to grab a few free cores that i have seen set out at the dump... so that will save me 10-15$ if i need another'n.

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Dell (WA)

05-06-2013 15:58:13

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 Re: electronic ignition conversion in reply to Ultradog MN, 05-06-2013 15:19:40  
Jeeze Jerry........the original poster asked a question about whether it was financial worth it. So I quoted a few $$$ off'n the top of my head and yer reaming me fer it. The point I was trying to make $20 points will last at least 5-yrs. And while 12V conversions really help start semi-wornout low compression engines, so will 6-volts start low compression engines. And comparing yer OHV 851 to flathead 4-nipple dizzy ain't even in the same ballpark. ........respectfully, Dell who is NOT anti-electronic ignition

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Ultradog MN

05-06-2013 16:52:44

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 Re: electronic ignition conversion in reply to Dell (WA), 05-06-2013 15:58:13  
I didn't pick this fight Dell. You did by naysaying my recommendation that he convert.
The truth of it is that every time the topics of points vs EI or 6V vs 12V come up you weigh in with your "EZ starting 6V 8N" and your knowing "8 different ways to convert to 12V and every one of them work right the first time" and your tried and true method of taking a clean, crisp dollar and "wipe off the invisible corrosion between the points" and your "retired Boeing electronics engineer" stuff.
This time you just added the hyperinflated prices.
All of it is said to keep the newbie's tractor original and get him on your learning curve.
Now I will give you credit for being a good teacher and for your altruism in helping the folks who just want their tractors to run.
But I happen to think there is a better way for the electrically challenged and have been around here long enough to not care for some of the "prevailing wisdom".
I happen to think that more people would be better served by converting.
And I realize that $400 is a small sum for a spanking, modern electrical system - especially when we daily see how much dough some guys spend on their restovations.
So I voice my opinion - and invariably catch some flak for it.
Perhaps you aren't anti EI.
But you do your best to muffle anyone who advocates anything other than original.
And round and round it goes...

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