Itty bitty remotes

TheOldHokie

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Location
Myersville, MD
Just finished this live hydraulics conversion for a customer who also wanted a small single spool Prince valve and two quarter inch remotes for "little" jobs. At 2.5 GPM it ain't going to run a loader but it should handle the customer's top link just fine. As I was looking at it I'm thinking it would easily handle a snow plow. Or a two spool valve and a couple small cylinders on the lift arms could turn a back blade into a very nice terracing/ditching setup.

TOH

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a t2.5gpm.. it's almost like the N internal pump.. which many ran loaders off of. :)

no speed demon.. but better than a wheel barrow!

looks nice. as usual for your creations...
 
(quoted from post at 16:05:19 03/16/13) Looks nice. Where/what is the pump and reservoir?

The remotes are just an add-on to my standard belt drive live hydraulics conversion that uses the tractor sump. I didn't have the suction line hooked up when I took these pictures but it connects to the 2" drain in the OEM belly pump using a custom made adapter. The adapter is just a bushing that replaces the drain plug and turns the drain into a #12 SAE o-ring hydraulic port capable of accepting any standard SAE hydraulic fitting.

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(quoted from post at 16:35:01 03/16/13) a t2.5gpm.. it's almost like the N internal pump.. which many ran loaders off of. :)

no speed demon.. but better than a wheel barrow!

Yeah but I can do a lot better than 2.5 GPM. The one on the assembly line right behind this one is 10+ GPM and has a two spool valve and 4 outlets. Will look almost identical - just bigger hoses and outlets and more of them.

TOH
 
WOW - from one hokie to another - dat dare is some fine engineering! I wish I had something that I could run with this nice pump.

OT - you ever keep up with the alt fuel car from VT? those guys won first place in the nation last year! the leader of the group was a former student of mine and a smart cookie, they brought the car by school, wow - talk about an engineering feat!
 
(quoted from post at 17:32:17 03/16/13) WOW - from one hokie to another - dat dare is some fine engineering! I wish I had something that I could run with this nice pump.

OT - you ever keep up with the alt fuel car from VT? those guys won first place in the nation last year! the leader of the group was a former student of mine and a smart cookie, they brought the car by school, wow - talk about an engineering feat!

The engineering departments have done some real nice stuff.

Maybe I could interest you in one of these to replace that Gawd Awful vane pump on your Jubilee ;-)

TOH

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(quoted from post at 18:33:55 03/16/13) I really admire all of the ad-ons you come up with. Thanks for sharing!

Colin, MN

I like to tinker. My mother started putting all of the clocks in our house up out of my reach about the time I started walking ;-)

TOH
 
Very nice work TOH.
I assume this setup also gives the tractor live hydraulics? Live hyds is the biggest drawback on the N Series Fords and this would correct that.
One thought about your setup:
Maybe future installs could incorporate hard piping from the front to the rear?
Later Fords did a pretty good job with tucking the lines along the side of the chassis.
More work I know but the finished product would be much less Medusa-esque.

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One thought about your setup:
Maybe future installs could incorporate hard piping from the front to the rear?
Later Fords did a pretty good job with tucking the lines along the side of the chassis.
More work I know but the finished product would be much less Medusa-esque.

What he said.

I'd like to convert my [i:bf68460fe2]working girl[/i:bf68460fe2] to live hydraulics but the snake pit of loose rubber hoses has kept that project on hold until I could figure out a way to hard pipe it.

C'mon Dan, I know you can do it - How hard can it be for a pro like you!? :D
 

Nice job, I too am envious of your work! You have what the kids now a days call "mad skilzs"...lol
 
(quoted from post at 07:31:48 03/17/13)
One thought about your setup:
Maybe future installs could incorporate hard piping from the front to the rear?
Later Fords did a pretty good job with tucking the lines along the side of the chassis.
More work I know but the finished product would be much less Medusa-esque.

What he said.

I'd like to convert my [i:831fbe6a87]working girl[/i:831fbe6a87] to live hydraulics but the snake pit of loose rubber hoses has kept that project on hold until I could figure out a way to hard pipe it.

C'mon Dan, I know you can do it - How hard can it be for a pro like you!? :D

I'm probably more a-nal than you and Jerry combined when it comes to hydraulic plumbing and I have no problem doing hard lines for the pump. It would be very much like what is shown in Jerry's picture. I don't do them because hard lines are bulky and expensive to ship. If you want a live hydraulics conversion with hard lines and don't mind the added shipping costs I'll be happy to build one for you. I have most of the the tubing and fittings already on hand and I can barely wait to post a picture of your new system ;-)

External control valves are a different matter. With the exception of integrated systems found on modern industrial/agricultural equipment control valves are usually optional add-ons and they are added using hoses. Here is what Jerry's blue tractor looks like with an external control valve added to the OEM system. That's ugly and despite the fact it is done with hoses doesn't have to be that bad. My 1983 Kubby with optional OEM loader connects to the hard lines with hoses and has the usual Medusa head of connections at the control valve. If you look closely you can see the hard linrs running down the side of the frame. Except for the occasional ruptured 30 year old hose I have never found it to be an issue and it's an easy and inexpensive problem to fix.

TOH

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And when just adding live hydraulics, it's only 2 hoses. Hope to have mine installed and working later this week!!
 
(quoted from post at 16:27:23 03/17/13) And when just adding live hydraulics, it's only 2 hoses. Hope to have mine installed and working later this week!!

Whew - that's a relief!!! When i saw your response I thought you were going to ask for hard lines to replace what you got ;-)

TOH
 
I like the "neat" look of the hard lines too, but I was just thinking how much
more trouble they would be for the average guy to replace if they went bad.
Most anyone could unscrew a hose and screw in another one, but to replace
a custom bent hard line may be a bit daunting for some. 2 cents.
 
(quoted from post at 13:52:34 03/17/13)
Whew - that's a relief!!! When i saw your response I thought you were going to ask for hard lines to replace what you got ;-)

TOH

No, I'll just be happy to have live hydraulics!! ;)
 
Very nice setup. Does the add on kit impact the 3pt operation? I can't see that it would, but I think all hydraulics are magic :)

Mike
 
(quoted from post at 22:08:56 03/17/13) Very nice setup. Does the add on kit impact the 3pt operation? I can't see that it would, but I think all hydraulics are magic :)

Mike

It impacts the three point operation big time - it turns it into a live operation system.

TOH
 
(quoted from post at 10:14:37 03/18/13)
The photo you show of the 3000 is using an external valve and is tapped into the blank hydraulic cover like in my first picture.
Second photo shows a Ford remote vlave which bolts onto the tractor in place of that cover. This one is a dual - ie - has two spools/ two handles. This one is set up for one single acting valve and one double acting valve - they are convertable.
You still have a snake's nest with any remote application but a bolt on remote does eliminate the pair of hoses from the blank cover to the aftermarket spools.
Sorry about the snow. I just took these photos. I think that darned Gary from MT sent this stuff our way.

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I am well aware of the OEM valve setup - it's very expensive, 100% proprietary inside and out, and I don't much care for it. If I had it AND it would do what I needed I'd use it but I certainly wouldn't pay to add it to my tractor. I'll take a couple hoses (or hard lines) and a non-proprietary much less expensive solution using industry standard off the shelf components I can obtain at any hydraulic supply. It works every bit as well and better in some applications. I can configure and purchase a Prince 4 spool sectional with my choice of individual spool options for $375. Another $100 for a couple hoses and a maniflod gets it hooked up to the same supply and return ports the OEM valve uses. Compare that to a new 2 spool OEM style valve which is nearly $1000 aftermarket and a whole lot more from CNH.

TOH

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I'm probably more a-nal than you and Jerry combined when it comes to hydraulic plumbing and I have no problem doing hard lines for the pump.

[b:661c9ab5ac][i:661c9ab5ac]Sweet!![/i:661c9ab5ac][/b:661c9ab5ac]

Not trying to nail your feet to the floor but approximately how much would hard lines add to the cost of the upgrade? Shipping aside, no remotes - Just live hydraulics.
 
Not to argue but for the sake of adding info to this board a Ford remote generally runs about $200 for a single handle and $400 for a dual.
This is for used.
There were several brands around - both OEM and aftermarket.
They are readily available as the same valve will fit pretty much all the Fords from 1955 well into the mid 80s.
Remote valves rarely get used enough to be worn out unless of course it was used for constant loader work. Loaders generally have their own hydraulics though.
Obviously these wont work on an N or a Jubilee which is what you are primarily dealing with.

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(quoted from post at 11:41:33 03/18/13)
I'm probably more a-nal than you and Jerry combined when it comes to hydraulic plumbing and I have no problem doing hard lines for the pump.

[b:54b3dc1f56][i:54b3dc1f56]Sweet!![/i:54b3dc1f56][/b:54b3dc1f56]

Not trying to nail your feet to the floor but approximately how much would hard lines add to the cost of the upgrade? Shipping aside, no remotes - Just live hydraulics.

Probably very little if anything. Shipping has always been the problem - not cost of the tubing. I'd have to price it out with the fittings but tubing by the foot is no more expensive than hose and teh labor to bend it is minimal. And for my initial proto-type customer I throw the labor in at no cost ;-) I wouldn't recommend trying to go steel all of the way to the ports on the belt drive pump however. I'd suggest bringing the hard lines forward from the rear to a bulkhead termination point just below the pump and then use a couple short hoses to connect the pump to the bulkhead terminations. I used to do something similar for mounting the flow divider and it worked well but now i use the body of the valve as the bulkhead and bolt it to a simple bracket.. If you wanted the optional suction line strainer (recommended) the filter head could be mounted directly to the bulkhead bracket just like I did with the flow divider. And just FYI if you wanted to do this don't expect it next week - I am booked solid for the next two months. No shortage of people that can tolerate the hoses ;-)


TOH


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(quoted from post at 10:03:39 03/18/13)
(quoted from post at 22:08:56 03/17/13) Very nice setup. Does the add on kit impact the 3pt operation? I can't see that it would, but I think all hydraulics are magic :)

Mike

It impacts the three point operation big time - it turns it into a live operation system.

TOH

Oh so this is your kit PLUS the valve and remotes. If I had read your original post better I would have known that. Very nice!

Mike
 
(quoted from post at 14:47:55 03/18/13)
(quoted from post at 10:03:39 03/18/13)
(quoted from post at 22:08:56 03/17/13) Very nice setup. Does the add on kit impact the 3pt operation? I can't see that it would, but I think all hydraulics are magic :)

Mike

It impacts the three point operation big time - it turns it into a live operation system.

TOH

Oh so this is your kit PLUS the valve and remotes. If I had read your original post better I would have known that. Very nice!

Mike

Hey - on a thread this long and devolved reading the posts is an exercise in patience; ;-) I just added the valve between the pump and the test port and use that feed to power the remotes. Small flow rate but works for applications like a hydraulic top link or snow plow lift/angle cylinders.

TOH
 

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