loaders

i'm looking for more info on a hydralic loader with an hydralic bucket for a 8n ford. (year made,how much its worth, is there alot of them around and etc,) thanks.

Nearly everything made for those tractors will be a trip bucket. You will have to be open minded and adapt (this will mean some minor or major metal working) something that would have been sold for a hundred series Ford or early Ferguson or Massey Ferguson tractors. Something to keep in mind is how much difference is there going to be for buying and adapting versus buying a tractor ready to go with a loader already on it. A 600 Ford or MF 35 may have more features such as power steering and the chassis will handle more weight (safely). In my mind the only reason to outfit an N series with a loader is because you are trying to work with a family heirloom.

Many companies made loader for the N series tractors including ford. As for what one is worth depends on how many times it has been repaired etc. I know of one for sale close to me for around $500 and it is a dearborn loader which is made by Ford

(quoted from post at 14:06:13 01/26/13) i'm looking for more info on a hydralic loader with an hydralic bucket for a 8n ford. (year made,how much its worth, is there alot of them around and etc,) thanks.

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Wagner and Dearborn (aka Ford) made a number of fully hydraulic loaders that will fit on an N-series. Most had single acting lift cylinders but a few of the later models had double action cylinders as an option. The most common ones are:

Dearborn/Ford models 19-23, 19-42,, 19-70, 19-71, 19-97 and 19-105
Wagner models WM-3 and 4

Most of those loaders are the crawl over, jungle gym style pipe frame loaders. The 19-97 and 19-105 are more modern step through designs and far more desirable and they had DA lift cylinders. Depending on condition the pipe loaders start at a couple hundred bucks - the step through loaders a good bit more. Replacement hard parts particularly for the cylinders on any of those loaders can be a challenge.

There are also less common loaders made by Sauder, Paulson, Davis, Superior, Freeman, and probably others.

All of that said the N-series is not well suited to a loader. Lack of good solid mounting points, heavy steering, and terrible gearing and brakes all combine to make it a poor performer. And while it may look like the cheapest solution to your needs you can easily wind up spending more buying a new valve, pump, and/or hoses than you pay for the loader. A lot of times it's simply a better idea to buy a later model loader tractor with better design features.

TOH

Excellent advice TOH.

I do not disagree with your advice. However, I've seen extremely few loaders from that era that were not equipped with a trip-type bucket. Maybe it's where I live. Even on the hundred series Fords and really most other makes from that era. A fellow could be waiting a long time for a suitable full hydraulic loader. I guess we all pretty much agree the OP would be best served by moving on to something a tad more modern. Like I said before if this tractor was in the OP's family since new and had special meaning to have a loader then I understand. I am at the age where running our Farmall M with the old Horn loader has lost it's charm for me. I am hoping for a cab tractor for the current loader this year.

(quoted from post at 23:32:25 01/26/13) I do not disagree with your advice. However, I've seen extremely few loaders from that era that were not equipped with a trip-type bucket. Maybe it's where I live. Even on the hundred series Fords and really most other makes from that era. A fellow could be waiting a long time for a suitable full hydraulic loader. I guess we all pretty much agree the OP would be best served by moving on to something a tad more modern. Like I said before if this tractor was in the OP's family since new and had special meaning to have a loader then I understand. I am at the age where running our Farmall M with the old Horn loader has lost it's charm for me. I am hoping for a cab tractor for the current loader this year.

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Must be where you live. The models I listed above all have hydraulic buckets and with the exception of the Ford Industrial Loaders (aka Dearborn 19-97 and 19-105) are readily available just about anywhere. The Ford industrial models are less common but still show up on a regular basis. Wagner Iron Works (Milwaukee) made lots of the WM3 and WM4 loaders specifcially for the 9N/2N/8N tractors and both are fully hydraulic. Their follow on step through design Power-Loader models were introduced for the NAA and are also compatible with the N-series.

A Want Ad posted on the Ford forums usually turns one of the jungle gym pipe loaders up in short order. The step through models are only a bit harder to find. Heck, you can even use something like a modern Bobcat loader if you are modestly handy with a torch and welder. The issue there will be finding an adequate source of hydraulic power for the loader and that I can supply ;-) Of course by the time you are done you could have bought a nice used 4WD Kubota or Thousand Series Ford with the money you have invested. That Bobcat loader does look right at home though.....

TOH

I've been to many auctions and enjoy looking through ads but very rarely have I seen what we are talking about. Around here it seems farmers did one of two things. They made do with the existing older outfit or when they considered upgrading the loader they up graded the tractor too. By the 1960's tractors offered features such as high volume hydraulics, power shift, direction reverser, etc. that enhanced loader operation. Some kept the old tractor/ loader combo but more often they were traded off then some residential type bought the old outfit. A few instances some of the older Farmalls received a modern loader because the newer IH 2001 loader readily adapted because the chassis layout was similar to the newer 504, 656, etc..

(quoted from post at 09:19:30 01/27/13) I've been to many auctions and enjoy looking through ads but very rarely have I seen what we are talking about. Around here it seems farmers did one of two things. They made do with the existing older outfit or when they considered upgrading the loader they up graded the tractor too. By the 1960's tractors offered features such as high volume hydraulics, power shift, direction reverser, etc. that enhanced loader operation. Some kept the old tractor/ loader combo but more often they were traded off then some residential type bought the old outfit. A few instances some of the older Farmalls received a modern loader because the newer IH 2001 loader readily adapted because the chassis layout was similar to the newer 504, 656, etc..

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Just the first example I found - took about 30 seconds on eBay.

Davis Fully Hydraulic Step-Through 8N Loader

Another 30 seconds on Craigslist finds this (overpriced) WM3 about an hour from me. They are easily found if you want one.

TOH

You can find (nearly) anything if you want to travel far enough. The E Bay listing you mention would be a day's drive one way and have over 500 dollars worth of fuel spent to get it for me. Not worth it. I checked after church this morning and I see nothing within 125 miles of me. Did not look further away. Nobody is saying they were never made. I am addressing the OP's question in terms of availability in 2013. I do look at ads for things like that as I have an 860 I am thinking about selling and it might be more attractive if equipped with a loader. If the OP wants to search for and find a loader for his N series tractor then he should do as his heart desires. He has been made aware of the alternatives.

(quoted from post at 11:06:13 01/26/13) i'm looking for more info on a hydralic loader with an hydralic bucket for a 8n ford. (year made,how much its worth, is there alot of them around and etc,) thanks.

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Here's a pic of my 8N with a Davis loader on it. It has the hydraulic bucket. It ain't pretty but it's a working tractor. I've used the loader for 9 years now with no problems. I live out in the hills and have a lot of dirt road repair after storms. There's also a pic of a Davis loader by itself.

JMO here but I doubt you'd get your money back putting a loader on a tractor to sell it.