hose countries have cars with fuel systems designed for those higher ethanol levels....not your American 2010 auto. You obviously only read the headline or you would have heard the reporter quoting car mfgrs and AAA as saying E15 is OK for 2012 cars. Same cautions for E85....ONLY for Flex fuel vehicles.(quoted from post at 19:32:04 01/14/13)
The only thing shocking about that report is that Fox news reported it. Fox is usually very fair and balanced and does not report anything that is not based on fact. Obviously, in this case, Fox did not research the matter before running with it.
Those same car companies also sell cars to Brazil, and I believe it is Brazil and probably a few other countries that have cars and trucks running on 100% ethanol, and have been doing so for many years now with no damage to engines, fuel systems, or anything else.
(quoted from post at 19:15:25 01/14/13) I was shocked, shocked I say:
http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/2000862202001/
ounds like epa & a bunch of car makers disagree!(quoted from post at 19:43:02 01/14/13)(quoted from post at 19:15:25 01/14/13) I was shocked, shocked I say:
http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/2000862202001/
Seems rather odd since EPA has been working on this with those very OEMS for almost 5 years now and AFAIK had arrived at this determination.
TOH
(quoted from post at 19:50:56 01/14/13)ounds like epa & a bunch of car makers disagree!(quoted from post at 19:43:02 01/14/13)(quoted from post at 19:15:25 01/14/13) I was shocked, shocked I say:
http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/2000862202001/
Seems rather odd since EPA has been working on this with those very OEMS for almost 5 years now and AFAIK had arrived at this determination.
TOH
ack in the 70's? when the BIG 3 started exporting cars to Brazil, there were articles in car mags about the changes necessary to run on ethanol. Carbs, elastomer parts, mild steel fuel lines & tanks were among the items that would be eaten/softened/hardened corroded by ethanol. They all had to be different materials on those exports.(quoted from post at 22:56:55 01/14/13) "Those countries have cars with fuel systems
designed for those higher ethanol levels"
That makes me think back to my Model Airplane days.
We used silicone rubber tubing with methanol fuel
and IIRC, some rubber like neoprene for gas/diesel.
It seems one or the other, but not both. I got a
float needle for a bike carb that was tipped with
something $pecial. Just thinkin out loud.
(quoted from post at 01:18:44 01/15/13)ack in the 70's? when the BIG 3 started exporting cars to Brazil, there were articles in car mags about the changes necessary to run on ethanol. Carbs, elastomer parts, mild steel fuel lines & tanks were among the items that would be eaten/softened/hardened corroded by ethanol. They all had to be different materials on those exports.(quoted from post at 22:56:55 01/14/13) "Those countries have cars with fuel systems
designed for those higher ethanol levels"
That makes me think back to my Model Airplane days.
We used silicone rubber tubing with methanol fuel
and IIRC, some rubber like neoprene for gas/diesel.
It seems one or the other, but not both. I got a
float needle for a bike carb that was tipped with
something $pecial. Just thinkin out loud.
(quoted from post at 09:31:16 01/15/13)
AAA Say's (They do blow a lot of hot air sometimes useless B.S.) They are somewhat correct this time :shock:
Key word here phase separation it does happen and not as uncommon as you would think... Its nuttin new and been around since the 80's in gas... This is one reason I will not buy from Joe blows cheapest gas on the boulevard...
think it is a lot like milk.........fresh=OK, stale/old=bad. Maybe you could use old e-? to make biscuits? :roll:(quoted from post at 10:33:21 01/15/13)(quoted from post at 09:31:16 01/15/13)
AAA Say's (They do blow a lot of hot air sometimes useless B.S.) They are somewhat correct this time :shock:
Key word here phase separation it does happen and not as uncommon as you would think... Its nuttin new and been around since the 80's in gas... This is one reason I will not buy from Joe blows cheapest gas on the boulevard...
OEM's don't warrant their vehicles - including E85 flex-fuel vehicles - against damage caused by the use of phase separated fuel. As you note separation is already a possibilty when using E10 or E85 so that is not the warranty concern with the use of E15. The key word with regard to warranty coverage is corrosion.
TOH
(quoted from post at 10:58:14 01/15/13)think it is a lot like milk.........fresh=OK, stale/old=bad. Maybe you could use old e-? to make biscuits? :roll:(quoted from post at 10:33:21 01/15/13)(quoted from post at 09:31:16 01/15/13)
AAA Say's (They do blow a lot of hot air sometimes useless B.S.) They are somewhat correct this time :shock:
Key word here phase separation it does happen and not as uncommon as you would think... Its nuttin new and been around since the 80's in gas... This is one reason I will not buy from Joe blows cheapest gas on the boulevard...
OEM's don't warrant their vehicles - including E85 flex-fuel vehicles - against damage caused by the use of phase separated fuel. As you note separation is already a possibilty when using E10 or E85 so that is not the warranty concern with the use of E15. The key word with regard to warranty coverage is corrosion.
TOH
(quoted from post at 19:48:55 01/15/13) Phase separation is a big problem that the marine industry has fought since the early days of E-85. It can occur frequently and many people do not know that simply mixing non-ethanol gas with E-85 can be the cause of phase separation. When it happens the ethanol relases its entrained water, Gasoline releases the ethanol and now you have a big problem especially if fishing 30-100 miles offshore.
ou sure used a lot of probably's in there. :roll:(quoted from post at 14:57:35 01/15/13)(quoted from post at 19:48:55 01/15/13) Phase separation is a big problem that the marine industry has fought since the early days of E-85. It can occur frequently and many people do not know that simply mixing non-ethanol gas with E-85 can be the cause of phase separation. When it happens the ethanol relases its entrained water, Gasoline releases the ethanol and now you have a big problem especially if fishing 30-100 miles offshore.
If you're fishing 30 to 100 MILES off shore, you are probably a commercial fisherman, and you boat probably has a DIESEL engine. If so, you shoukld probably NOT be using ethanol blended gasoline.
(quoted from post at 20:04:18 01/15/13)ou sure used a lot of probably's in there. :roll:(quoted from post at 14:57:35 01/15/13)(quoted from post at 19:48:55 01/15/13) Phase separation is a big problem that the marine industry has fought since the early days of E-85. It can occur frequently and many people do not know that simply mixing non-ethanol gas with E-85 can be the cause of phase separation. When it happens the ethanol relases its entrained water, Gasoline releases the ethanol and now you have a big problem especially if fishing 30-100 miles offshore.
If you're fishing 30 to 100 MILES off shore, you are probably a commercial fisherman, and you boat probably has a DIESEL engine. If so, you shoukld probably NOT be using ethanol blended gasoline.
arl, near you at 515 & 69 is Duko Oil in Emory & the only gasoline they sell is ethanol-free. Sometimes the cost above local E-10 has been as little as 6 cents & at other times as much as 35 cents. Guess it might depend on cost at time each filled his tanks????(quoted from post at 02:56:16 01/16/13) I'm pretty lucky I can get ethanol free gas 2miles from home, but I live on Lake Fork. Here is a link to find it in your state.
http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=TX
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