Ring gear diameter on flywheel

I'm about to put a new ring gear onto exsisting flywheel. Old ring gear came off very hard but OK. Noticed on diameter of flywheel where ring gear was seated that it's a different diameter than further away from this area. There are definately two diameters and the one further away from the flywheel shoulder is larger. This means that in cooling flywheel down and heating ring gear I must hope for enough growth/schrinkage to be able to slip/tap ring gear over a larger diameter than the diameter it actually seats on. I looked at old ring gear inside diameter and both outside diameters on flywheel and saw NO EVIDENCE of the ring gear spinning and causing the difference in diameter. No pickup or scoring of any kind. With a steel ring gear and a cast flywheel there should have been something noticable if ring gear had spun. It almost looks like it's been manufactured that way. Has anyone out there seen this slight difference in the diameter where the ring gear goes onto the flywheel, (looks like maybe .010" on a dia. larger at first then smaller against the shoulder)? Would be nice to know that new ring gear will fit OK onto this flywheel. Have no way of accurately measuring these diameters.

Thanks
 
(quoted from post at 11:58:57 01/10/13) I'm about to put a new ring gear onto exsisting flywheel. Old ring gear came off very hard but OK. Noticed on diameter of flywheel where ring gear was seated that it's a different diameter than further away from this area. There are definately two diameters and the one further away from the flywheel shoulder is larger. This means that in cooling flywheel down and heating ring gear I must hope for enough growth/schrinkage to be able to slip/tap ring gear over a larger diameter than the diameter it actually seats on. I looked at old ring gear inside diameter and both outside diameters on flywheel and saw NO EVIDENCE of the ring gear spinning and causing the difference in diameter. No pickup or scoring of any kind. With a steel ring gear and a cast flywheel there should have been something noticable if ring gear had spun. It almost looks like it's been manufactured that way. Has anyone out there seen this slight difference in the diameter where the ring gear goes onto the flywheel, (looks like maybe .010" on a dia. larger at first then smaller against the shoulder)? Would be nice to know that new ring gear will fit OK onto this flywheel. Have no way of accurately measuring these diameters.

Thanks

The shoulder is machined into the flywheel at teh factory. The ring gear has to be expanded (heated) enough to fit over the shoulder and that is more than most people think. Someone took some measurements and did the math recently:

OD of shoulder on flywheel - 12.022
ID of new ring gear - 11.964
Expansion needed = 12.022 - 11.964 = .058

Expansion factor for steel is roughly .00064/in /100F so your 12" ring gear will expand roughly .007 inches for every 100 degrees you heat it. To get .058 inches of expansion that is (.058 / .007) x 100F = a bit over 800F. Or heat the ring gear 500F and cool the flywheel 300F :wink:

TOH
 
The way I do them is I stick the flywheel in the freezer and then lay the ring gear in the oven. I then turn the oven on set at 500 degrees. When the over gets to 500 and stops heating higher I pull the flywheel out of the freezer lay is down and drop the ring gear on. Last one I did that way I almost had to adjust it because it almost went on to far
 
I believe that is the linear expansion rate, in which case you would need to use the circumference of the flywheel and gear. I think it would workout to require at least a 300deg delta between pieces.
 
(quoted from post at 15:56:56 01/10/13) I believe that is the linear expansion rate, in which case you would need to use the circumference of the flywheel and gear. I think it would workout to require at least a 300deg delta between pieces.

It is a linear expansion problem and circumference is a linear function of diameter: c = Pi x d. If you do the algebra I think you will find that the process of computing the linear expansion of the circumference and from that the new diameter reduces to the more direct coefficient of expansion x diameter method I gave. I could be wrong but....

TOH
 

I put new ring gears on flywheels twice, but on newer Fords. All I did was to have the flywheel in contact with the concrete floor in a fairly cold time of the year, then I set the ring gear on a concrete block and heated it with my O/A torch, slowly, keeping the flame moving. When I got the ring to where it was just under red hot all around, I set the flywheel up on a block and placed the ring on it and it took just a little tapping to bring it into place. I would be leery of the kitchen method, because you either have to carry both out doors very quickly, which is not real safe with something 500 degrees, or put them together in the kitchen which is probably even more dangerous.
 
Your funny. Easy as pie to do one in the kitchen. Simple pan that is larger then the flywheel on the stove top. Done a good many that way. But then your older then I am so you know it all
 
(quoted from post at 17:44:23 01/10/13)
I put new ring gears on flywheels twice, but on newer Fords. All I did was to have the flywheel in contact with the concrete floor in a fairly cold time of the year, then I set the ring gear on a concrete block and heated it with my O/A torch, slowly, keeping the flame moving. When I got the ring to where it was just under red hot all around, I set the flywheel up on a block and placed the ring on it and it took just a little tapping to bring it into place. I would be leery of the kitchen method, because you either have to carry both out doors very quickly, which is not real safe with something 500 degrees, or put them together in the kitchen which is probably even more dangerous.

Sounds reasonable. How good is your color differentiation? Anything primarily red in color is approaching 1000F.

TOH

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(quoted from post at 15:50:50 01/10/13)
(quoted from post at 17:44:23 01/10/13)
I put new ring gears on flywheels twice, but on newer Fords. All I did was to have the flywheel in contact with the concrete floor in a fairly cold time of the year, then I set the ring gear on a concrete block and heated it with my O/A torch, slowly, keeping the flame moving. When I got the ring to where it was just under red hot all around, I set the flywheel up on a block and placed the ring on it and it took just a little tapping to bring it into place. I would be leery of the kitchen method, because you either have to carry both out doors very quickly, which is not real safe with something 500 degrees, or put them together in the kitchen which is probably even more dangerous.

Sounds reasonable. How good is your color differentiation? Anything primarily red in color is approaching 1000F.

TOH

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I guess pretty good. Looks like I had it right on the nose at 500 degrees.
 

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