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Ot Cheap HF winch

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NOXJohn

11-09-2012 06:11:40




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Harbor freight has a 2000lbs 12 volt electric winch on sale. I have never owned a winch and have no idea what can be done with a 2000 lbs winch. Disregarding that it may be a piece of junk, is a 2000 lb winch worth buying? I have no other use for it then mounting it on the front of one of my 8Ns to pull out stuck vehicles or to move heavy objects. Any advise or suggestions would be appreciated.




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TheOldHokie

11-13-2012 14:16:43




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 Re: Ot Cheap HF winch in reply to ScottJ, 11-09-2012 06:11:40  
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Certainly something to keep in mind when comparison shopping for winches. A quick check of the Ramsey site confirms that rating system and also tells me that their 8K rated winch has an actual line pull of 6.7K at two layers, 5.7K at 3 layers , and 5K when the spool is full at 4 layers.

I'm also thinking that a simple snatch block on the cable halves the reach but doubles the pull - true for any pulley system. So if I spool out half my line and run it through a snatch block and back to the winch I'll get an actual line pull of 6.7K x 2 = 13.4K at my block. The more line I spool out the more pull I get.
I'll think on that too....

TOH

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duey

11-12-2012 16:59:25




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 Re: Ot Cheap HF winch in reply to NOXJohn, 11-09-2012 06:11:40  
I've never owned a winch BUT... IIRC the RATING is based on pull from the FIRST layer of cable on the drum.... If you have 4 or 5 layers of cable on the drum it won't pull NEARLY as much as it will on the first layer...

As the drum effective diameter gets LARGER, you lose lots of pull... true for ANY winch.

Think on that...

duey



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TheOldHokie

11-11-2012 07:39:54




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 Re: Ot Cheap HF winch in reply to CJ in Michigan, 11-09-2012 06:11:40  
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I live on hilly wooded land and get my trucks and tractors stuck a lot. I have winched them out of bad spots with a cheap TSC come-along dozens of times - in fact three different times this summer when I got stuck mowing. They weren't axle deep in a bog - just in a slippery spot, hung on a ground obstacle, or down in a hole they couldn't manage to climb out of on their own. All they needed was a little help with traction. If you can actually get a 2000 pound pull out of that cheap winch I would think it would be useful mounted to the front bumper on a tractor for just those sorts of occasions. Save you the hike to the shed to get the come-along.

JMO,

TOH.

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ericlb

11-11-2012 06:03:44




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 Re: Ot Cheap HF winch in reply to NOXJohn, 11-09-2012 06:11:40  
to put it another way a 2000lb winch is simply an electric come along, it will do what a hand powered light duty come along will do, you can do general lifting chores with it, like picking up a bundle of fence poles, pulling your deer up into a tree to process it, unless its a atv though 2000 lb winch isn't going to free much of a stuck vehicle



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rustyfarmall

11-10-2012 05:17:45




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 Re: Ot Cheap HF winch in reply to tractor gal, 11-09-2012 06:11:40  
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I would think the even a 2,000# winch mounted on an 8n would move the tractor before it moved anything else.



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NOXJohn

11-10-2012 04:05:04




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 Re: Ot Cheap HF winch in reply to NOXJohn, 11-09-2012 06:11:40  
Sounds like I should look for a much larger winch.



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Hobo,NC

11-09-2012 18:57:02




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 Re: Ot Cheap HF winch in reply to THANKS...John,PA, 11-09-2012 06:11:40  
Most missed he said "to pull out stuck vehicles"... Stuck means his Ox is in the ditch :wink: Most hand crank winches are rated at 2K... Cheap 2...



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Hobo,NC

11-09-2012 18:49:42




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 Re: Ot Cheap HF winch in reply to thommoos, 11-09-2012 06:11:40  
It takes a very good 3K winch to pull out a stuck ATV that weighs 500lbs... A cheap 2K will go up in smoke...



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George Marsh

11-09-2012 18:49:10




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 Re: Ot Cheap HF winch in reply to NOXJohn, 11-09-2012 06:11:40  
NOXJohn,

I've have an older HF 2000 lb winch. I use it with a movable pulley to pull a 4640 lb lawn roller on my trailer. The movable pulley doubles your pulling force to 4000 lb. Without a pulley, the winch is about worthless. I've pulled a ford 4x4 F150 on trailer with it, no problem. I use a 12v trolling battery to power winch. Don't know what the amp draw is, but it sucks a lot of power. Make sure you get a winch with rollers to keep cable in center of spool.

Personally, I don't see any advantage of putting it on the front of a tractor, unless you have a tree near by to pull yourself out with it. If you were trying to pull something with it, good luck. I think all you will accomplish is slidding your rear tires. Traction is traction and you don't have that much on an 8N, especially with the tire bars backwards. May have better luck attaching winch to the rear of tractor.

I would use a long chain to pull stuck things with. Attach chain to 3 pt drawbar and pull as high as possible to transfer weight from front wheels to rear wheels for more traction. Be careful you don't do a wheelie.

If my winch dies, I'll buy something stronger built. However, my winch beats a come-along.

George

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Hobo,NC

11-09-2012 18:38:36




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 Re: Ot Cheap HF winch in reply to NOXJohn, 11-09-2012 06:11:40  
For a little more make it a investment that will be your last and last a lifetime... I would not skimp I would get one that will get'er done even if I had to tie down the vehicle it was mounted to, to move what i hooked to... :lol:
HF junk will always be HF junk.. Had to throw that in 8)
http://ytforums.ytmag.com/viewtopic.php?t=817628&highlight=winch

http://ytforums.ytmag.com/viewtopic.php?t=684322&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=winch&start=15

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soundguy

11-09-2012 18:11:15




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 Re: Ot Cheap HF winch in reply to NOXJohn, 11-09-2012 06:11:40  
post a link to it? I have a 4k 1 2v winch from HF.. black plastic kind. ( same as the reese that walmart sells for 90$ by the way same model # on tag.. just different main sticker.. :)

it is setup to do single cable.. or double the cable for half speed and more pull.

obviously does more rolling laod than dead pull.

It's the winch I have always taken with me when fetching tractors.

I can tell you for sure it will pull a 53-64 era non running, but rolling.. ( flat tires even ) ford tractor onto a trailer if you have a car battery setting on the trailer.. I always take a battery with me when fetching tractors too.

I can tell you also that while it did not like it.. it greatly assisted loading a e350 converted passanger van onto a trailer from the side of the interstate. we doubled the cable and had a man on a come along helping.

got that huge van loaded.. would have been a nightmare without the winch.. as I can tell you i HAVE loaded vehicles of that size on my equipment trailer using nothing other than ratchet straps and a high lift farm jack setup to pull or push... ugh.. what NOT fun that is. :)

My standard 'go' rig now has a full set of tools, jacks, hi lift and bottle and screw type.., wheel chocks, cribbing timber. spare battery. air up tank and small compressor, winch, and spare battery. electrical tool kit including truck and trailer spare lamps and fuses and doo-dads and butane powered solder iron.. extra flat brad trialer wire and crimp kit.. spare trailer plug.. lots of e-tape and bailing wire, also have an inverter built in to side of tool box #1 on te truck, and a power outlet at rear of truck as well as a work lamp and 12v plug accy at both of my 7 pin locations in bed and at bumper. this rig also carrie extra diesel and a gas jerry can, plus 1 tool box (#2) of just needed emergency fluids for truck or could be used on another auto.. I have my old set of hoses and serpentine belt from last service in a trash bag plus extra clamps too. good set of led work lights.. prybars and irons.. etc.extra CPS for the 7.3 powerstroke too. truck is my 99 450 with 3 tool boxes and 70g xfer tank.. setup to pull gooseneck, 5th wheel, 4 ball sizes and pintel if really eeded. air bag suspension ... has a 4.88 rear so she don't go much over 73.. but will pull the proverbial house doing so... she's old.. but works..

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ZANE

11-09-2012 17:09:23




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 Re: Ot Cheap HF winch in reply to NOXJohn, 11-09-2012 06:11:40  
The only way that 2000 pound winch would move 2000 pounds is if you use a three part line. That is with two snatch blocks. Then it might pull 2000 pounds.

Zane



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old-9

11-09-2012 16:20:02




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 Re: Ot Cheap HF winch in reply to NOXJohn, 11-09-2012 06:11:40  
Save your money, years ago I bought a 2000 pound "winch". I wanted to use to load my trailor with a car ,truck or tractor. I hooked my 41 9-N at the base of my trailor and tried to load it. Didn't even get to top of ramp. I thought maybe the battery was not good enough so brought my truck, with the engine running as close to the winch as I could and still could not get my 9 on the trailor..

It is for sale anybody? joe

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Hobo,NC

11-09-2012 16:19:11




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 Re: Ot Cheap HF winch in reply to soundguy, 11-09-2012 06:11:40  
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Iffin its a real winch it should,,, what good is it if neither end moves :?: Thats is were you are going with a HF 2K toy.... :cry:



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wsmm

11-09-2012 16:13:15




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 Re: Ot Cheap HF winch in reply to NOXJohn, 11-09-2012 06:11:40  
A winch should be rated for 1.5 to 2 times the weight of the object you want to move. That said I had a 3000 lb Harbor Freight mounted on the front of my GEO tracker. Used it once to move a tree that had fallen across the road, not a real big tree but not a small one either.



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Bob Harvey

11-09-2012 15:20:49




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 Re: Ot Cheap HF winch in reply to NOXJohn, 11-09-2012 06:11:40  
As to mounting it on the front of your 8N, you might be better off with a good chain with hooks or a cable with same. The tractor weighs approx 2700#, with the brakes locked on on maybe slightly more effective. If you have a 4,000# unit to pull out of the muck/ditch, guess what ?



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Caryc

11-09-2012 14:16:49




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 Re: Ot Cheap HF winch in reply to FletchVa, 11-09-2012 06:11:40  
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I can see where even a 2000# winch would be good for that. Is the front bumper on an 8N sturdy enough to mount a winch on?



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TheOldHokie

11-09-2012 13:25:15




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 Re: Ot Cheap HF winch in reply to soundguy, 11-09-2012 06:11:40  
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Do you ever get that tractor stuck :idea:
TOH



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Caryc

11-09-2012 11:20:15




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 Re: Ot Cheap HF winch in reply to BishopNlouisiana, 11-09-2012 06:11:40  
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I have zero experience with winches but I'm wondering, wouldn't an 8000 pound winch move your jeep or tractor before moving an 8000 pound object?



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heybusdriver

11-09-2012 20:21:55




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 Re: Ot Cheap HF winch in reply to Caryc, 11-09-2012 11:20:15  
That is exactly what happens, I had 8000 winch on the front of my Jeep Cherokee , I pulled a few people out of ditches , but they weren't stuck badly and is what happens the front end of your vehicle pulls down and can pull you into them. I tried pulling out stumps but you can't pull out stumps either, you have lift up to pull them out.
Stan
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8N 179555
8N 197904
8N 199000
8N 254079
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NoNewParts

11-09-2012 10:18:35




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 Re: Ot Cheap HF winch in reply to NOXJohn, 11-09-2012 06:11:40  
I have a couple cheapo ones.

a 2000 to lift my snowplow on a NAA

and a 3000 on a 4-wheeler.

they pull fine...for light duty

a snatch block makes them act 'bigger'

the cheap little ones seem to have weak brakes,

but they do pull ok.
This post was edited by NoNewParts at 10:19:45 11/09/12.



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Hobo,NC

11-09-2012 10:18:05




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 Re: Ot Cheap HF winch in reply to NoNewParts, 11-09-2012 06:11:40  
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what can be done with a 2000 lbs winch,,, Not much,,, to enjoy what a real winch can do you will need to start here (link)... I have one about like it (8K),,, its moved every thing I have hooked it to... I searched Jeep forums and found the Superwinch I brought to be the beast bang for the buck that's reliable....

I can not locate the model I have at this time I paid $399 for it and $50 for a roller fairlead... I made my own mounting plate...

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200578301_200578301

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GOOD one..John,PA

11-09-2012 10:05:49




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 Re: Ot Cheap HF winch in reply to NOXJohn, 11-09-2012 06:11:40  
Hey John,

I purchased one of them winches from Harbor Freight, recently.

I mounted the winch on the front of a lawn tractor for raising and lowering a snow plow. Works great. The Harbor Freight store in Harrisburg honored a coupon that I found in the Frederick Sunday Paper. $49.00.

The project proved out to be the best way for raising the JD blade that was fitted up to an old Sears tractor.

Hope this helps. By the way, at the price, I am sorta thinking about purchaseing another winch, just to have around.

John,PA

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Phlash in OK

11-09-2012 18:31:34




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 Re: Ot Cheap HF winch in reply to GOOD one..John,PA, 11-09-2012 10:05:49  
Bought a similar winch at Northern Tools, Mounted on front of 9N, use to lift snow plow and brush rake. works good for that. Haven't really used it for a big job. wouldn't expect too much from it.



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