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Ford 9N, 2N & 8N Discussion Forum
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8n pulling 30 amps at 1/2 throttle no load

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ToddNick

10-29-2012 17:13:31
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Guys,

I have been reading your posts for awhile to help me get my 8n 6v side mount running, but now I am needing help.

My ammeter shows 30'plus at mid throttle in neutral. I began with a neg read with lights on engine off and no amps when running. I followed the diagnostic chart and jumped the bat and arm with it running and it jumped to 30 so I replaced the vr. The new vr is now showing neg amps with lights on and engine off but showing around 10 amps at idle and 30 when mid throttle. I removed the field from the gen and it immediately dropped to zero amps when running. I jumped the filed from gen to field on vr and right back to 30. Is my gen bad? Or is my new vr playing games? I did polarize after replacing the vr.

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JMOR

10-30-2012 14:29:45
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 Re: 8n pulling 30 amps at 1/2 throttle no load in reply to Britcheflee, 10-29-2012 17:13:31  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to seeYes, Zane, but the 8N10505A is unobtainium these days, so you just have to use the 8N10505B and set the 3rd brush to limit current.

See my long answer at link, near bottom of first page of threads in modern view.

http://ytforums.ytmag.com/viewtopic.php?t=956884

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ZANE

10-30-2012 13:26:50
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 Re: 8n pulling 30 amps at 1/2 throttle no load in reply to ToddNick, 10-29-2012 17:13:31  
I'm just asking, but aren't there two different VRs for the 8Ns at different serial numbers????

Which one should he have?

Zane



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soundguy

10-30-2012 06:28:22
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 Re: 8n pulling 30 amps at 1/2 throttle no load in reply to ToddNick, 10-29-2012 17:13:31  
just to recap. if the vreg field contacts are propped open with a toothpic does the charge drop?

if yes, and the field contacts are jsut ataying closed full time.. then the vreg is bad.



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ToddNick

10-30-2012 13:27:46
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 Re: 8n pulling 30 amps at 1/2 throttle no load in reply to soundguy, 10-30-2012 06:28:22  
Yea, the voltage dropped to zero when I propped the field contact open with a toothpick. Nice trick.

I will get another new VR and see if that fixes it. Stupid question- Can the gap be set on the field contacts?

I appreciate the knowledge you folks have in regards to these old gems.



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soundguy

10-30-2012 14:18:31
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 Re: 8n pulling 30 amps at 1/2 throttle no load in reply to ToddNick, 10-30-2012 13:27:46  
sometimes you can find an adjustable field and cutout reg.. most of the itme adjustment is by tweaking / bending.

in your case.. field ckt may actually be dead, and thus not operating the field contacts at all.. just leaving them closed..



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JMOR

10-29-2012 18:48:17
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 Re: 8n pulling 30 amps at 1/2 throttle no load in reply to soundguy, 10-29-2012 17:13:31  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to seeIf field control contacts are not opening at spec voltage, then it is possible that the shunt coil that senses the voltage & pulls them open has an open wire/winding in it. Be sure the ground wire between VR case and generator case is good.



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JMOR

10-29-2012 17:57:14
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 Re: 8n pulling 30 amps at 1/2 throttle no load in reply to old, 10-29-2012 17:13:31  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to seeAccording to Ford spec sheet @ 20amps, 6.8v should command a reduction.

At 5amps, it can reach 7.4v before reducing output.

But you are at 30A and 7.3v & that is out of spec.

I would remove reg cover & feel to see if you can open field contacts against spring force or if they are stuck closed.



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ToddNick

10-29-2012 18:19:38
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 Re: 8n pulling 30 amps at 1/2 throttle no load in reply to JMOR, 10-29-2012 17:57:14  
I actually did that earlier this evening. Both contacts in the VR appeared free.



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JMOR

10-29-2012 17:40:09
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 Re: 8n pulling 30 amps at 1/2 throttle no load in reply to old, 10-29-2012 17:13:31  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to seeOK, my bad. I mis-read your sentence. Yes, gen field is a direct wire to VR field terminal. It does however sound like field contacts in VR are stuck closed, thus grounding the generator Field terminal all the time & that yields full field current & max gen output. BUT, a bad or even undercharged battery will have a low enough voltage to cause the field control to call for full charge until battery voltage rises to a level that VR senses that voltage & starts to reduce field current. Can you get a good battery voltage measurement both before starting and after/while running at 30amps?

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ToddNick

10-29-2012 17:50:40
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 Re: 8n pulling 30 amps at 1/2 throttle no load in reply to JMOR, 10-29-2012 17:40:09  
Battery shows 6.08 standing (post to post) and climbed to 7.3 after running mid throttle for a few minutes.



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JMOR

10-29-2012 17:17:34
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 Re: 8n pulling 30 amps at 1/2 throttle no load in reply to Kurt-NEPA, 10-29-2012 17:13:31  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to seeGen to Fld jumper should have & probably did weld the field control contacts together such that it will put out full charge all the time, & eventually boil the battery.



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ToddNick

10-29-2012 17:29:44
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 Re: 8n pulling 30 amps at 1/2 throttle no load in reply to JMOR, 10-29-2012 17:17:34  
Fld from gen goes to fld on vr, right? So I removed them both and used a dedicated jumper to rule out a bad wire and got the same result.



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