Rain and Gear Shift Boot?

Caryc

Well-known Member
In the past I saw an article on here where someone did a test to see if rain water can actually enter at the point. They did the test with no shift boot at all on it and still no rain entered at that point. The link had pictures of the test.

Can anyone give me a link to this test please?
 
(quoted from post at 12:21:23 10/02/12) In the past I saw an article on here where someone did a test to see if rain water can actually enter at the point. They did the test with no shift boot at all on it and still no rain entered at that point. The link had pictures of the test.

Can anyone give me a link to this test please?
hat link is no longer valid........
 
i call bull hockey! the shifter is a shaft with a
ball in the middle and a shaft out the bottom, it
fits in a round type socket and unless there is
grease packed tight around the "ball" water will
flow right into the transmission. the old 8n i had
got water in it that way, i drained water out of it
after it sat outside for about 3 months, i put a
boot on the shifter and it sat outside always and
got nothing in the trans after that....
 
(quoted from post at 10:07:48 10/02/12) i call bull hockey! the shifter is a shaft with a
ball in the middle and a shaft out the bottom, it
fits in a round type socket and unless there is
grease packed tight around the "ball" water will
flow right into the transmission. the old 8n i had
got water in it that way, i drained water out of it
after it sat outside for about 3 months, i put a
boot on the shifter and it sat outside always and
got nothing in the trans after that....

I am aware of the mechanics of it. I did not make this post for opinions on it one way or another. I just wanted access to that article.

Please let's not make this a pi$$ing contest one way or another whether moisture will enter at that point.

If that's all you guys want to do then please don't bother adding to this post.
 
(quoted from post at 14:01:13 10/02/12) I think John Smith did the test, maybe check his site.
es, before the web provider changed it was there, but no more. Besides the pictures, test method, etc., it is really very simple, you have a ball & socket held tight with a spring & splash lubed with oil slung by transmission gears, so if all is intact & not worn out, water won't get past ball/socket/oil, which he demonstrated with a plastic bag taped on bottom of transmission cover & a water hose running water over shifter without a boot for 5 minutes. Most believe condensation is the primary source and second the unsealed draft control plunger opening. I keep mine sheltered for a multitude of reasons.
 
" i call bull hockey!"

This isn't Global Warming we're talking about. No opinion involved.

I recall the post. I too thought a bad boot would cause water to get in the tranny until I saw the video test that John Smith posted.

It's not 'bull hockey.' It's a fact & the test showed it to be true.
 
(quoted from post at 11:21:22 10/02/12)
(quoted from post at 14:01:13 10/02/12) I think John Smith did the test, maybe check his site.
es, before the web provider changed it was there, but no more. Besides the pictures, test method, etc., it is really very simple, you have a ball & socket held tight with a spring & splash lubed with oil slung by transmission gears, so if all is intact & not worn out, water won't get past ball/socket/oil, which he demonstrated with a plastic bag taped on bottom of transmission cover & a water hose running water over shifter without a boot for 5 minutes. Most believe condensation is the primary source and second the unsealed draft control plunger opening. I keep mine sheltered for a multitude of reasons.

I replaced the boot on mine a couple years ago. For the record I have never seen water in my system but I do keep that draft control spring covered.
 
(quoted from post at 12:14:18 10/02/12) " i call bull hockey!"

This isn't Global Warming we're talking about. No opinion involved.

I recall the post. I too thought a bad boot would cause water to get in the tranny until I saw the video test that John Smith posted.

It's not 'bull hockey.' It's a fact & the test showed it to be true.

Well, that's with everything working correctly as it should. But what happens if some dirt or grit or micro shavings from inside the trans get up in there and build up and maybe clog up between the ball and socket and maybe dry up in there creating a path for moisture to enter? So...it's kind of hard to disprove that. Good enough reason to keep a good boot on there.
 
Agreed.

The oil film will displace water for a time but if left outside for long periods the film will dissipate and water will enter.

Dean
 
I agree. Your tractor, your choice.

What I find interesting is that anyone would choose to leave a tractor of any brand out in the rain for long...

Doug in east tn
 
If you still have the old link you may be able to find it at this site. Copy the old link and paste in the search bar, it will show multiple backups of a lot of old web content.
TL

http://archive.org/web/web.php
 
It has been a while since I have posted here, though I like to read the threads.
This reply also speaks to the "lift power" thread.
I"ve had an 8N for almost 30 years and use it regularly, but not as often as in the past.
Like a dummy, I did leave it out in the rain for a Northern Californian winter or two with no shift boot.
I was kind of proud that the tranny/diff oil didn"t seem to go down over the years.
I did notice a loss of lifting power and maybe even an increase in hydraulic level.
Tore down and found a hyd pump that looked brand new after 40 years.
The cause, of course, was water in the oil, at the bottom where the pump draws its supply.
Water makes a lousy hydraulic fluid.

Upshot: replaced hyd oil, everything works great and it stays under cover year round.
 
(quoted from post at 20:21:23 10/02/12) In the past I saw an article on here where someone did a test to see if rain water can actually enter at the point. They did the test with no shift boot at all on it and still no rain entered at that point. The link had pictures of the test.

Can anyone give me a link to this test please?

Top link were it goes in the lift cover and the PTO shifter are BIG leakers,,, Roll yer seat over not only does it leave you a dry seat its covers the back of the lift cover....
 
(quoted from post at 19:06:03 10/02/12)
(quoted from post at 20:21:23 10/02/12) In the past I saw an article on here where someone did a test to see if rain water can actually enter at the point. They did the test with no shift boot at all on it and still no rain entered at that point. The link had pictures of the test.

Can anyone give me a link to this test please?

Top link were it goes in the lift cover and the PTO shifter are BIG leakers,,, [b:7a5ec6a0b7]Roll yer seat over not only does it leave you a dry seat its covers the back of the lift cover....[/b:7a5ec6a0b7]

Hmmm.....I never noticed, I'll have to try that tomorrow. I usually take one of those two wheeled V shaped garden carts and turn it upside down. It fits in there nicely.
 
(quoted from post at 23:33:09 10/02/12)
This isn't Global Warming we're talking about. No opinion involved.

Global Warming isn't an opinion either. It has been proven to be a FACT by scientists.

I'd like to see those facts.
My beliefs aside, they would be nice to have to present.
 
It's not a choice for some people. 1 1/2 car garage full of her horse tack (8 of the nicer saddles w/ bridles [and a bunch more in basement]), grain, fencing supplies, yard tools & some of my junk. A 12X20X10 shed for hay. And a 15-20 car driveway. Guess where my 1 tractor is!!! Even my workbench is outside.
 
(quoted from post at 20:33:09 10/02/12)
This isn't Global Warming we're talking about. No opinion involved.

Global Warming isn't an opinion either. It has been proven to be a FACT by scientists.

Everything said by scientists is a fact until someone comes up with some discovery that disproves it.

Scientists once believed the earth was flat. What do you think the scientists will be believing 100 years from now?
 
I didn't see a link there. I got the link from him several years ago when his web site was home.att.net. I just added the myth.htm to his current site.
 
(quoted from post at 12:34:21 10/03/12) I didn't see a link there. I got the link from him several years ago when his web site was home.att.net. I just added the myth.htm to his current site.
ame here, as far as I can tell.
 
Everything said by scientists is a fact until someone comes up with some discovery that disproves it.

Scientists once believed the earth was flat. What do you think the scientists will be believing 100 years from now?

Scientists never believed that the earth was flat. You obviously don't know what you're talking about.
 
(quoted from post at 19:57:58 10/14/12)
Everything said by scientists is a fact until someone comes up with some discovery that disproves it.

Scientists once believed the earth was flat. What do you think the scientists will be believing 100 years from now?

Scientists never believed that the earth was flat. You obviously don't know what you're talking about.

OK, exactly what year was it when certain people were first classified as scientists and what were there credentials and beliefs?

You must know since you know what your talking about?
 
(quoted from post at 23:13:26 10/14/12)
(quoted from post at 19:57:58 10/14/12)
Everything said by scientists is a fact until someone comes up with some discovery that disproves it.

Scientists once believed the earth was flat. What do you think the scientists will be believing 100 years from now?

Scientists never believed that the earth was flat. You obviously don't know what you're talking about.

OK, exactly what year was it when certain people were first classified as scientists and what were there credentials and beliefs?

You must know since you know what your talking about?

From Wiki:

[i:e9c2e0e9a0]The Flat Earth model is an archaic belief that the Earth's shape is a plane or disk. Most ancient cultures have had conceptions of a flat Earth, including Greece until the classical period, the Bronze Age and Iron Age civilizations of the Near East until the Hellenistic period, India until the Gupta period (early centuries AD) and China until the 17th century. It was also typically held in the aboriginal cultures of the Americas, and a flat Earth domed by the firmament in the shape of an inverted bowl is common in pre-scientific societies.[1] The Jewish conception of a flat earth is to be found in biblical as in post biblical times.[2][3][4]

The paradigm of a spherical Earth was developed in Greek astronomy, beginning with Pythagoras (6th century BC), although most Pre-Socratics retained the flat Earth model. Aristotle accepted the spherical shape of the Earth on empirical grounds around 330 BC, and knowledge of the spherical Earth gradually began to spread beyond the Hellenistic world from then on. The misconception that educated Europeans at the time of Columbus believed in a flat Earth, and that his voyages refuted that belief, has been referred to as the "Myth of the Flat Earth".[9] In 1945, it was listed by the Historical Association (of Britain) as the second of 20 in a pamphlet on common errors in history.[10][/i:e9c2e0e9a0]

So I would agree with '51 - I think it is 100% accurate to say that commencing with the post-Socratic philosphers - (e.g. mathematicians and naturalists like Euclid, Pythagoras, Archimedes, etc) the first real "scientists" did not believe the earth was flat.

TOH
 
(quoted from post at 04:46:20 10/15/12)
(quoted from post at 23:13:26 10/14/12)
(quoted from post at 19:57:58 10/14/12)
Everything said by scientists is a fact until someone comes up with some discovery that disproves it.

Scientists once believed the earth was flat. What do you think the scientists will be believing 100 years from now?

Scientists never believed that the earth was flat. You obviously don't know what you're talking about.

OK, exactly what year was it when certain people were first classified as scientists and what were there credentials and beliefs?

You must know since you know what your talking about?

From Wiki:

[i:442b34e573]The Flat Earth model is an archaic belief that the Earth's shape is a plane or disk. Most ancient cultures have had conceptions of a flat Earth, including Greece until the classical period, the Bronze Age and Iron Age civilizations of the Near East until the Hellenistic period, India until the Gupta period (early centuries AD) and China until the 17th century. It was also typically held in the aboriginal cultures of the Americas, and a flat Earth domed by the firmament in the shape of an inverted bowl is common in pre-scientific societies.[1] The Jewish conception of a flat earth is to be found in biblical as in post biblical times.[2][3][4]

The paradigm of a spherical Earth was developed in Greek astronomy, beginning with Pythagoras (6th century BC), although most Pre-Socratics retained the flat Earth model. Aristotle accepted the spherical shape of the Earth on empirical grounds around 330 BC, and knowledge of the spherical Earth gradually began to spread beyond the Hellenistic world from then on. The misconception that educated Europeans at the time of Columbus believed in a flat Earth, and that his voyages refuted that belief, has been referred to as the "Myth of the Flat Earth".[9] In 1945, it was listed by the Historical Association (of Britain) as the second of 20 in a pamphlet on common errors in history.[10][/i:442b34e573]

So I would agree with '51 - I think it is 100% accurate to say that commencing with the post-Socratic philosphers - (e.g. mathematicians and naturalists like Euclid, Pythagoras, Archimedes, etc) the first real "scientists" did not believe the earth was flat.

TOH

OK, this is getting ridiculous. You clowns know what I meant by my post. I was not talking about Harvard graduates. I was talking about in the days where no one really knew anything about the field of science.

Call them village wise men or medicine men or wizards or what ever you want. You all knew what I meant but just want to jump on someone for the sake of being a PIA. Well you accomplished it.

Too bad this place is so full of Rhodes scholars who can't use a little imagination. Lighten up a little.
 
OK, this is getting ridiculous. You clowns know what I meant by my post. I was not talking about Harvard graduates. I was talking about in the days where no one really knew anything about the field of science.

Call them village wise men or medicine men or wizards or what ever you want. You all knew what I meant but just want to jump on someone for the sake of being a PIA. Well you accomplished it.

Too bad this place is so full of Rhodes scholars who can't use a little imagination. Lighten up a little.

Sorry, but we're not clowns because we actually know something. The clown here is the one who is making stupid statements. Saying that scientists thought the earth was flat is a totally ridiculous statement. The only reason you were making this statement is to show your disagreement with science and to make science and scientists look bad, but you failed. The only person that you made look bad was yourself because you showed how uneducated and misinformed you actually are. Why don't you think before you make stupid misinformed statements?

Do you know how long ago it was that people knew that the earth wasn't flat?
 
(quoted from post at 12:44:05 10/15/12)
OK, this is getting ridiculous. You clowns know what I meant by my post. I was not talking about Harvard graduates. I was talking about in the days where no one really knew anything about the field of science.

Call them village wise men or medicine men or wizards or what ever you want. You all knew what I meant but just want to jump on someone for the sake of being a PIA. Well you accomplished it.

Too bad this place is so full of Rhodes scholars who can't use a little imagination. Lighten up a little.

Sorry, but we're not clowns because we actually know something. The clown here is the one who is making stupid statements. Saying that scientists thought the earth was flat is a totally ridiculous statement. The only reason you were making this statement is to show your disagreement with science and to make science and scientists look bad, but you failed. The only person that you made look bad was yourself because you showed how uneducated and misinformed you actually are. Why don't you think before you make stupid misinformed statements?

Do you know how long ago it was that people knew that the earth wasn't flat?

Again, you knew what I meant. You just wanted to find something to be a jerk about. I think the rest of the people in this thread knew it too and choose not to be jerks about it.

I'm not going to keep on with this but I suppose you will just to be a.....you guessed it.
 
Again, you knew what I meant. You just wanted to find something to be a jerk about. I think the rest of the people in this thread knew it too and choose not to be jerks about it.

I'm not going to keep on with this but I suppose you will just to be a.....you guessed it.

I didn't know what you meant. You said scientists. I thought you meant scientists. Modern day scientists never believed that the earth was flat. Why didn't you answer my question? Maybe because you can't?

Do you know how long ago it was that people knew that the earth wasn't flat?
 
(quoted from post at 16:08:12 10/15/12)
Again, you knew what I meant. You just wanted to find something to be a jerk about. I think the rest of the people in this thread knew it too and choose not to be jerks about it.

I'm not going to keep on with this but I suppose you will just to be a.....you guessed it.

I didn't know what you meant. You said scientists. I thought you meant scientists. Modern day scientists never believed that the earth was flat. Why didn't you answer my question? Maybe because you can't?

Do you know how long ago it was that people knew that the earth wasn't flat?

[i:6f3e503de1]"That the sphericity of the earth was clearly established in the ancient world is beyond dispute. Apparently unknown to the Babylonians or Egyptians, it was a discovery of Greek astronomy and was generally accepted among natural philosophers by the time of Aristotle. It was the received view of educated Romans as well, including Pliny the Elder. Among Christian thinkers, however, its fortunes are not quite so clear. It was not without significance that the ancient Hebrews, whose views were reflected in Scripture, conceived the earth as a flat disk covered over by the dome of the heavens. [Isidore's] grasp on the spherical nature of the earth was tenuous at best ..." "[/i:6f3e503de1]

Religion and science collided over the matter for some time after Aristotle. Now we can add politiics to that collison.

TOH
 
(quoted from post at 14:21:39 10/16/12)
(quoted from post at 16:35:35 10/16/12)
The earth quit warming 16 years ago, that's a fact.

Another misinformed statement. That is NOT a fact! The earth has been warmer in the last 10 years than it has ever been.
nd at least one 8N'er that know not of which he speaks! :lol:

Well...well...well...how about that? :mrgreen:
 
(quoted from post at 17:21:39 10/16/12)
(quoted from post at 16:35:35 10/16/12)
The earth quit warming 16 years ago, that's a fact.

Another misinformed statement. That is NOT a fact! The earth has been warmer in the last 10 years than it has ever been.
nd at least one 8N'er that know not of which he speaks! :lol:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...-report-quietly-released--chart-prove-it.html

"Ever" is one of those words people use and then probably come to rue more often than not. In this case I'm pretty sure the earth was once REALLY, REALLY hot ;) Short term (15-20 year) trends are utterly meaningless as data in this debate. Heck a century plus worth of hard data may be meaningless as well but it's certainly a bit more statistically interesting.

TOH

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Yeah...everyone knows that if you want to know anything about science, you go to a tractor forum. You'll get the real low down there. :wink:
 

Ha ha

Oh well, at least the hotter temps will not let so much condensation build up in the tranny. Looks like we can definitely put that shifter boot myth to bed.

My two cents...
 

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