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Engine heaters for 8n

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Stephen Wallace

11-18-2011 09:14:48
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I am looking for a way to keep my 8n warm during the coming Maine winter. I am looking for recommendations on this. I see different types of heaters, such as magnetic ones that attach to the oil pan or engine block and I see ones that tie into the radiator hose. What is the best method? And what kind of wattage is sufficient? I'll add that I have been told to change the oil to 5W-30 to help starting as well. Thanks in advance to this fantastic group.

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Stephen Wallace

11-19-2011 07:43:35
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 Re: Engine heaters for 8n in reply to Stephen Wallace, 11-18-2011 09:14:48  
Thanks for all these great replies and suggestions. They have been fun to read and very helpful. It is good to have options. Installing that (affordable) coolant heater near the water pump side looks to be a bit of a pain to install and I'd have to drain and replace the 12 quarts of anti-freeze. I like the idea, at least in the meantime, of keeping the battery warm overnight and changing to 5W 30 oil and see what that gets me. The mag heaters are certainly the easiest and fastest to get going with, but pricy. I don't know how the tank heaters with their pumps would work on an 8n or where one would install them but I did notice them while shoppping at Tractor Supply. But these are all really great and helpful ideas. It does get cold in Maine but so far the coldest I have seen in past years is about -12 F.

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Bob

11-19-2011 09:37:58
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 Re: Engine heaters for 8n in reply to Stephen Wallace, 11-19-2011 07:43:35  
"I don't know how the tank heaters with their pumps would work on an 8n or where one would install them but I did notice them while shopping at Tractor Supply"

The tank heaters you saw at TSC, or any other typical tank heater, doesn't have a "pump".

There ARE specialty units made for extreme HD or industrial use that DO have pumps, but that is NOT what we are dealing with here.

The typical tank heater simply works due to the fact that heat rises.

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oldtanker

11-18-2011 23:02:26
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 Re: Engine heaters for 8n in reply to Stephen Wallace, 11-18-2011 09:14:48  
OK the water jacket is higher than the oil pan and what will heat do????? RISE! So the idea that it will keep the oil warm is not a great idea. The solution is a block heater that warms the block and "winter weight" oil and or both the block heater and a mag one that heats the oil in the pan too. Ive seen it cold enough that at startup with a block heater but to heavy of an oil in the pan the oil pressure fail to come up with 10-30 oil. It was very cold at the time, about -50F without wind chill, 5-30 fixed it. Another fix would have been a mag heater on the pan.

With everything "clean tight and bright" at - 30F my 8N will not start without "help".

Rick

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Duner Wi

11-18-2011 19:07:31
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 Re: Engine heaters for 8n in reply to Stephen Wallace, 11-18-2011 09:14:48  
Head bolt heater works for me.



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Ultradog MN

11-18-2011 18:45:05
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 Re: Engine heaters for 8n in reply to Stephen Wallace, 11-18-2011 09:14:48  
I always liked the tank heaters. They always looked the best.



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duey

11-18-2011 20:45:12
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 Re: Engine heaters for 8n in reply to Ultradog MN, 11-18-2011 18:45:05  
Luv it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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Dell (WA)

11-18-2011 16:40:52
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 Re: Engine heaters for 8n in reply to Stephen Wallace, 11-18-2011 09:14:48  
Stephen........gitt the MAGNETIC block heater and mount it on the INTAKE manifold. The very act of carburation sucks HEAT outta the air. Infact light airplanes have a pull handle called carb heat for landing. It sucks to need power for go-around and not have it. Carb at idle approach will ICE-UP.

The 2nd best thing for cold starting is a WARM BATTERY. (seriously) Ittza LAW, electro-chemical Law. Back in the '40s, dad would remove the 6V-battery and place it by the coalfire heater (my job to haul coal) and install it the next -30F morning. Always started. Neighbor would be pouring HOT WATER into his radiator 'cuz he was too cheap for anti-freeze and cuzzin'. International pickup was always hard to start, even in summertime. .......eazy startin' Dell

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John (TR)

11-18-2011 17:13:46
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 Re: Engine heaters for 8n in reply to Dell (WA), 11-18-2011 16:40:52  
My dad always used a small worklight and layed it next to the battery in the cars in the winter and they always started. Battery looses way too many CCA at 0deg.



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Jimmyjack

11-18-2011 17:08:56
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 Re: Engine heaters for 8n in reply to Dell (WA), 11-18-2011 16:40:52  
Might be Number one and two in the State of Washington Dell, but in the cold states the lower hose heaters, block heaters, and tank heaters are much better.



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Dell (WA)

11-18-2011 17:20:52
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 Re: Engine heaters for 8n in reply to Jimmyjack, 11-18-2011 17:08:56  
Jimmyjack.......would you believe 7000ft Durango Colorado????.......Dell



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curtsat15

11-18-2011 16:38:17
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 Re: Engine heaters for 8n in reply to Stephen Wallace, 11-18-2011 09:14:48  
Yup mine has it's own pump with the heater. Works like a charm.



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duey

11-18-2011 15:15:06
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 Re: Engine heaters for 8n in reply to Stephen Wallace, 11-18-2011 09:14:48  
And be sure to cover it well so that whatever heat you DO have stays with the engine.

Dad never had a heater on the 2N he bought new but I remember him taking a teakettle full of scalding water out to the old garage and pouring it over the carburetor and manifold to help the gas vaporize and it seldom failed to start.... even when it was so cold you had to be careful releasing the clutch with the heavy, cold tranny oil.
duey

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Del Huebner

11-18-2011 10:31:54
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 Re: Engine heaters for 8n in reply to Stephen Wallace, 11-18-2011 09:14:48  
I use a Kats Lower Radiator Hose Heater in both 49 8N's. It is 600 watt and I got mine at NAPA.
They have never failed to start in the cold and we can get to -20.



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curtsat15

11-18-2011 09:36:00
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 Re: Engine heaters for 8n in reply to Stephen Wallace, 11-18-2011 09:14:48  
I would recommend a circulating heater that goes inline with the radiator hose. I have a little 500 watt unit on my 8/2N. Plug it in for an hour before I wanna run and she starts like a summer day!



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John Coffey

01-25-2013 16:40:47
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 Re: Engine heaters for 8n in reply to curtsat15, 11-18-2011 09:36:00  
Hi, Where can you get the type of in line hose heater you mention in your blog? Thanks.



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Stephen Wallace

11-18-2011 09:40:46
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 Re: Engine heaters for 8n in reply to curtsat15, 11-18-2011 09:36:00  
By circulating do you mean this is more sophisticated than just an inline heater (that just has the heater element and the heat causes the coolant to circulate)? In other words are you talking about something that has its own pump?



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old

11-18-2011 09:43:04
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 Re: Engine heaters for 8n in reply to Stephen Wallace, 11-18-2011 09:40:46  
They work sort of like a thermosphine (sp) system does and as the coolant heats in the lower hose the warm coolant goes up and the cool falls so it in turn makes the coolant move on its own



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Stephen Wallace

11-18-2011 09:46:22
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 Re: Engine heaters for 8n in reply to old, 11-18-2011 09:43:04  
Excellent, that makes perfect sense. thank you.



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old

11-18-2011 09:17:07
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 Re: Engine heaters for 8n in reply to Stephen Wallace, 11-18-2011 09:14:48  
The all around best type heater is one that keeps the coolant warm. That way the engine block and oil also stays warm. If all you do is heat the oil the rest of the engine is still cold so you still get a slower start.



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Stephen Wallace

11-18-2011 09:47:01
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 Re: Engine heaters for 8n in reply to old, 11-18-2011 09:17:07  
Thanks!



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