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Ford 9N, 2N & 8N Discussion Forum
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9N live hydraulics options?

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MeAnthony

05-27-2011 10:10:16
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I"d live to add a couple ports on the back for drawn equipment. What are the options/best choices as far as a pump? I"ve seen a front mounted, crank driven setup but that was mainly to run a loader; I don"t know if that is the best setup for what I want? Or maybe it"s the only setup?

Suggestions and opinions appreciated.

Thank you,

Anthony




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TheOldHokie

05-28-2011 06:01:50
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 Re: 9N live hydraulics options? in reply to Elvin Frank, 05-27-2011 10:10:16  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see

That's essentially the advice I give every customer that calls but they invariably go ahead and buy the add-on.

TOH



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Ultradog MN

05-28-2011 05:05:32
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 Re: 9N live hydraulics options? in reply to MeAnthony, 05-27-2011 10:10:16  
Quit expecting your N to do things it wasn't designed to do.
Sure you could add live hydraulics ala Zane or Hokie. But a lot of money and you will still have an N.
You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
Sell it and buy a newer tractor.
Find a Ford 3000 and don't look back.



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ZANE

05-27-2011 15:12:03
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 Re: 9N live hydraulics options? in reply to MeAnthony, 05-27-2011 10:10:16  
LIVE THANG, LIVE HYDRAULICS FOR THE FORD N AND FERGUSON TRACTORS. I now have a live hydraulics kit ready to install in about an hour or two. I am going to call it "LIVE THANG" in keeping with all the other stuff I have to offer on the Internet for owners of the 9N/2N/8N Ford tractors and Ferguson tractors with the original Ferguson system lift. The unit can be installed with common hand tools usually in about two hours. Nothing of the original tractor is changed and can be put back to original state easily by taking it back off in reverse of installation.
Shipping is included in the price.
$580.00 is the price for the basic unit.

This price includes shipping.

Add additional $20 to ship Canada With the basic unit you will have the live three point hitch hydraulics and be able to raise and lower the three point hitch without the PTO turning or the clutch engaged. You can still use the PTO and the PTO pump will not be changed. No drilling or welding is required. THE THREE POINT LIFT IS STILL OPERATED WITH THE ORIGINAL TOUCH CONTROL HANDLE. NO ADDITIONAL CONTROLS ARE NEEDED TO OPERATE THE LIFT.
The unit consists of a low volume pump similar to the original pump capacity that is mounted to the engine by existing bolts and is belt driven. State whether you have a front mounted distributor engine or a side mounted distributor engine. The pump bracket has to be fabricated differently for the two.
It will take the average person about one or two hours to install and get it up and running. Nothing of the original equipment of the tractor or its appendages is changed. It is just an addition to existing points of attachments etc. No drilling or welding is required.

If you want a filter in the suction side of the system which I recommend but is not necessary add $60.00 to the basic price. Having a filter on the suction line will give the lift system a filter which we all know the Ferguson/Ford hydraulic system has been long lacking and needing. . The pressure hose that is included in the kit can be used to route the pressurized oil into a remote control valve if you should decide to use the spool type control valve for remote cylinders etc. such as on a loader.
Most of the original N loaders had only single acting hydraulic cylinders or one way cylinders which ever you want to call them. They had to be made this way because the N lift would only work one way by applying pressure to the cylinders when the touch control was moved up and the lift arms were tied down so that the oil had to go somewhere and in this instance it would go to the cylinders on the loader and raise the load. It is very hard to control the lift of the loader with that set up and you do not have a positive position control of the loader.

With the auxiliary remote control spool valve you would be able to use double acting or two way cylinders and be able to control the load by moving the valve to the center or neutral position and have the lift stay where it is and not drift up or down as it wants to do with the old N system of tying down the lift arms etc.

If you wanted to have a loader that had cylinders to raise and lower the load and also be able to control the bucket angle and dump the bucket then you would have to have a two spool valve. One to control the height and one to control the bucket.

Basic unit will give you live hydraulics for the 3 point hitch. The lift will operate when the clutch is depressed and the PTO is not turning. Or you can use it along with the PTO pump with the clutch engaged.

The older model engine block castings are different than the later model engine block castings. On the older blocks like in the 9N/2N and the 8Ns built before 1951 the oil filter mounting boss and the oil filler/breather openings are different than the 8N blocks. The earlier models have these two part closer to the front of the block by about 3 inches. this makes it necessary to have a different mounting bracket for each one. The Ferguson tractors with the Continental engines have a different mounting bracket for the pump than the Fords. The rest of the unit is the same.

Just send me a money order or a personal check to - Zane Sherman, 2824 Renfroe Road, Talladega Alabama, 35160 and I will be glad to get one on the way to you. I accept Paypal too. wzsherman@aol.com

Thanks, Zane Sherman

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TheOldHokie

05-27-2011 14:34:35
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 Re: 9N live hydraulics options? in reply to TheOldHokie, 05-27-2011 10:10:16  

MeAnthony said: (quoted from post at 13:10:16 05/27/11) I"d live to add a couple ports on the back for drawn equipment. What are the options/best choices as far as a pump? I"ve seen a front mounted, crank driven setup but that was mainly to run a loader; I don"t know if that is the best setup for what I want? Or maybe it"s the only setup?

Suggestions and opinions appreciated.

Thank you,

Anthony


Read all about it:

Hokie Hydraulics

While OLD is correct that the most staright forward solution is a shaft driven pump the downside of that is a big wart sitting way out in front of the nose of the tractor or a hatchet job on the grille sheetmetal to make room for the pump in next to the radiator. He is incorrect in his worries about belt slippage. My system uses a synchronous drive belt (aka timing belt) that will transmit every last one of the 20 odd ponies the N motor puts out with zero slippage. I'm easy and I can build it either way. The design issues are physical pump mounting, source of hydraulic oil, amd integration into the tractor's internal system, None of those is particularly hard to solve.

TOH
This post was edited by TheOldHokie at 03:32:26 05/28/11.

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Brian Bell

05-27-2011 10:16:47
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 Re: 9N live hydraulics options? in reply to MeAnthony, 05-27-2011 10:10:16  
Lookup "Hokie Hydraulics" in the archives or wait for TheOldHokie to respond. He has a great solution that he designed and builds for the N's.



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old

05-27-2011 10:13:18
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 Re: 9N live hydraulics options? in reply to MeAnthony, 05-27-2011 10:10:16  
There are a few ways of doing it. You can use a belt drive type hyd pump which places like surplus supply sells. Or you can use a Chev power steering pump that is also belt drive. Or you can use the crank shaft driven one which in many ways is the best option since you will have no belt to worry about slipping etc



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