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8n wont start

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Chuck H

09-29-2010 12:48:35
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1951 8n 6volt side mount distr.Tractor sat for over a year in s shed. Engine was locked up.Pulled head. put wd40 in cylinders,let it set for a few weeks. Engine turned over.Drained oil and coolant and replaced. Put on new head gasket,new wiring harness,reulator,terminal block,coil,cellinoid,points,condensor,new carb,flushed gas tank,cleaned fuel bowl and fuel line screen.Compression test 1 to 3 90psi 4 is 82. put a teaspoon of oil in each and #4 went to 90 psi others stayed at 90psi.There is spark st the pugs. Any suggesios is appreciated.

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HCooke

09-29-2010 15:56:00
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 Re: 8n wont start in reply to Chuck H, 09-29-2010 12:48:35  
Your tractor should run with the compression numbers you have, but they are marginal. Try jump startiong the tractor with 12 volts - make sure trator is in neutral - check this twice - put one lead from the 12 volt battery on the starter stud, turn the ignition on and adjust the throttle and choke, ground the other 12 volt jumper wire to any convienent ground. This should spin the engine faster and compensate for the low compression.

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Jim in Eastern NC

09-29-2010 13:03:09
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 Re: 8n wont start in reply to Chuck H, 09-29-2010 12:48:35  
Check for correct wiring to the plugs, sometimes it's easy to switch the wires. May have spark, but to the wrong cylinder. But it sounds like a fuel problem..., does gas drain out steadily when you remove the carb drain? If it doesn't, find out why; if it does, check mixture and idle screws (others will have better advice on adjusting; mine have not been touched in over 20 years).



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Bruce (VA)

09-29-2010 12:59:50
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 Re: 8n wont start in reply to Chuck H, 09-29-2010 12:48:35  
The compression results are borderline, but w/ good spark & fuel, it will start & run. So, you need to narrow the problem down to one or the other (or possibly both)

There are ways to check for spark & fuel that work & ways that don't. For example, having gas to the carb is nice, but having it past the float is what counts! Thatís why removing the bolt in the bottom of the carb is the way to do it. And, same thing w/ spark at the plugs. Some folks think that checking for spark means pulling a plug wire off & looking for one. Well, it's the distance the spark jumps at the plug that gives you the info you want. It takes about 17kv to jump a 3/16" gap & 22kv to jump ľĒ in the open air, so that's why you need to use a spark plug. Or, a store bought plug checker. Remember, itís 14psi outside of the engine & about 90psi at a 6:1 compression ratio in the cylinders & compressed air creates electrical resistance, so you really need the 17-22kv to fire the plugs when the engine is running.

So, how did you check for spark & fuel?

First, replace the plugs. If you flooded it, they're fouled & it will be it next to impossible to start. You don't need to toss them; heat the tips for a few seconds w/ a propane torch to burn off the invisible spark-robbing deposits from today's additive filled gasoline........or wash them in lacquer thinner.

Next, do you have battery voltage across the points when they are open? Verify the gap on the points at .025. Then, dress the points by running a piece of card stock or brown paper bag through them. New points sometimes have an anti-corrosive dielectric coating on them & old points can corrode or pick up grease from a dirty feeler gauge or excessive cam lubricant. (I always spray my feeler guage blade off w/ contact cleaner.) Make sure you have voltage across the points, as in past the insulator on the side of the distributor. That is a very common failure point on sidemounts, along w/ the attached copper strip. It's hard to find a short there because it is usually an intermittent . So 'wiggle' the insulator & the copper strip a bit when you are doing your checking.

Next, make sure the battery is fully charged; you need a strong battery to turn the starter & get you a good spark.

Next, get a can of starting fluid or a hand held propane torch. Remove the breather hose to the carb. Crank the engine for 2 -3 seconds, then spray the starting fluid or propane in the carb throat.

Post back w/ results or more questions.

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Chuck H

10-03-2010 13:36:29
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 Re: 8n wont start in reply to Bruce (VA), 09-29-2010 12:59:50  
Bruce(va) thanks for your help. she still wont start. spark at plugs is strong about 1/4 ". I replaced plugs gap is .025 dressed points with brown paper bag. charged battery. fuel flowa thrue carb. removed drain bolt and its flowing. I removed plugs and noticed # 1 plug had a slight amount of gas. 2,3,4 were dry. want should I try next. thanks Bruce



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Bruce (VA)

10-03-2010 16:11:42
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 Re: 8n wont start in reply to Chuck H, 10-03-2010 13:36:29  
First, replace the plugs. If you flooded it, they're fouled & it will be it next to impossible to start. You don't need to toss them; heat the tips for a few seconds w/ a propane torch to burn off the invisible spark-robbing deposits from today's additive filled gasoline........or wash them in lacquer thinner.

Next, get a can of starting fluid or a hand held propane torch. Remove the breather hose at the carb. Key on, gas on 2 full turns, 3/4 throttle, press the starter button. Let it crank for at least 3 - 4 seconds before you spray the starter fluid or propane into the carb throat.

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