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Ford 9N, 2N & 8N Discussion Forum
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8N Hydraulics

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03-26-2010 13:20:25

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I'm looking into buying an 8N to use with food plots and a garden. I looked at one today that has a loader on it. It runs off of the rear hydraulics that also power the 3 point. Is there a way to put a live pump on it to have seperate controls for the loader?


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04-01-2010 21:53:27

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 Re: 8N Hydraulics in reply to ZANE, 03-26-2010 13:20:25  

d_diamond said: (quoted from post at 21:22:57 04/01/10) I have just got an 8 N running after it was sitting a couple years 1 year in my shop on jackstands. Anyway I got it together and running today. The 3 pt will go up but will not go down unless you turn the tractor off. (with nothing hooked up to it) I first had the problem of it not going up at all in the first 1/2 hour but after running for some time it will go up but not back down again! What the heck?
You have two control valves, intake control valve opens intake to pump & it sucks oil & sends pressure to lift cylinder. The other is exhaust control valve & it opens to allow oil to drain out of lift cylinder. Sounds like it isn't exhausting. Remember, only gravity applies any force to lower arms.....might try a bit of weight on it before digging too deep.

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03-26-2010 18:12:01

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 Re: 8N Hydraulics in reply to oldtanker, 03-26-2010 13:20:25  
LIVE THANG, LIVE HYDRAULICS FOR THE FORD N AND FERGUSON TRACTORS. I now have a live hydraulics kit ready to install in about an hour or two. I am going to call it "LIVE THANG" in keeping with all the other stuff I have to offer on the Internet for owners of the 9N/2N/8N Ford tractors and Ferguson tractors with the original Ferguson system lift. The unit can be installed with common hand tools usually in about two hours. Nothing of the original tractor is changed and can be put back to original state easily by taking it back off in reverse of installation.
Shipping is included in the price.
$580.00 is the price for the basic unit With the basic unit you will have the live three point hitch hydraulics and be able to raise and lower the three point hitch without the PTO turning or the clutch engaged. You can still use the PTO and the PTO pump will not be changed. No drilling or welding is required. THE THREE POINT LIFT IS STILL OPERATED WITH THE ORIGINAL TOUCH CONTROL HANDLE. NO ADDITIONAL CONTROLS ARE NEEDED TO OPERATE THE LIFT.
The unit consists of a low volume pump similar to the original pump capacity that is mounted to the engine by existing bolts and is belt driven. State whether you have a front mounted distributor engine or a side mounted distributor engine. The pump bracket has to be fabricated differently for the two.
It will take the average person about one or two hours to install and get it up and running. Nothing of the original equipment of the tractor or its appendages is changed. It is just an addition to existing points of attachments etc. No drilling or welding is required.

If you want a filter in the suction side of the system which I recommend but is not necessary add $60.00 to the basic price. Having a filter on the suction line will give the lift system a filter which we all know the Ferguson/Ford hydraulic system has been long lacking and needing. . The pressure hose that is included in the kit can be used to route the pressurized oil into a remote control valve if you should decide to use the spool type control valve for remote cylinders etc. such as on a loader.
Most of the original N loaders had only single acting hydraulic cylinders or one way cylinders which ever you want to call them. They had to be made this way because the N lift would only work one way by applying pressure to the cylinders when the touch control was moved up and the lift arms were tied down so that the oil had to go somewhere and in this instance it would go to the cylinders on the loader and raise the load. It is very hard to control the lift of the loader with that set up and you do not have a positive position control of the loader.

With the auxiliary remote control spool valve you would be able to use double acting or two way cylinders and be able to control the load by moving the valve to the center or neutral position and have the lift stay where it is and not drift up or down as it wants to do with the old N system of tying down the lift arms etc.

If you wanted to have a loader that had cylinders to raise and lower the load and also be able to control the bucket angle and dump the bucket then you would have to have a two spool valve. One to control the height and one to control the bucket.

Basic unit will give you live hydraulics for the 3 point hitch. The lift will operate when the clutch is depressed and the PTO is not turning. Or you can use it along with the PTO pump with the clutch engaged.

The older model engine block castings are different than the later model engine block castings. On the older blocks like in the 9N/2N and the 8Ns built before 1951 the oil filter mounting boss and the oil filler/breather openings are different than the 8N blocks. The earlier models have these two part closer to the front of the block by about 3 inches. this makes it necessary to have a different mounting bracket for each one. The Ferguson tractors with the Continental engines have a different mounting bracket for the pump than the Fords. The rest of the unit is the same.

Just send me a money order or a personal check to - Zane Sherman, 2824 Renfroe Road, Talladega Alabama, 35160 and I will be glad to get one on the way to you. I accept Paypal too.

Thanks, Zane Sherman

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03-26-2010 17:33:32

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 Re: 8N Hydraulics in reply to oldtanker, 03-26-2010 13:20:25  
That looks interesting....I even have 2 extra belt drive pumps and 1 reservoir! All I would need are the control if I wanted to convert the loader to full hydraulic with down pressure. I have a control that would be just for the lift function.

Thanks for all the input!


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03-26-2010 13:59:09

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 Re: 8N Hydraulics in reply to boler76, 03-26-2010 13:20:25  

oldtanker said: (quoted from post at 16:20:25 03/26/10) I'm looking into buying an 8N to use with food plots and a garden. I looked at one today that has a loader on it. It runs off of the rear hydraulics that also power the 3 point. Is there a way to put a live pump on it to have seperate controls for the loader?


Many loaders used a shaft driven pump mounted on the loader frame in front of the grill. If your loader is not currently equipped with a place to mount a pump you will have to fabricate one and add a hydraulic reservoir. The shaft drive parts are readily available - figure about $400+ for the pump, reservoir, and shaft drive components.

Alternatively you could also use a belt driven pump like this one - more than adequate to run the loader and uses the internal sump on the tractor. It can also be used to upgrade the 3pt lift with live hydraulics.

Fluid Power Kits for N-series Tractors


This post was edited by TheOldHokie at 14:00:02 03/26/10.

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03-26-2010 13:26:59

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 Re: 8N Hydraulics in reply to oldtanker, 03-26-2010 13:20:25  
Yes. Loaders operated from the tractor hydraulic pump preclude use of the lift and are very slow to operate.

A crankshaft driven hydraulic pump is a much better alternative. Most loaders used on Ns use this arrangement.


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03-26-2010 13:41:09

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 Re: 8N Hydraulics in reply to Dean, 03-26-2010 13:26:59  
Thanks Dean, Is there an adaptor that fits the front of the crankshaft or is that something that has to be made?


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03-26-2010 14:05:51

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 Re: 8N Hydraulics in reply to oldtanker, 03-26-2010 13:41:09  

oldtanker said: (quoted from post at 13:41:09 03/26/10) Thanks Dean, Is there an adaptor that fits the front of the crankshaft or is that something that has to be made?


My 8N has a Davis loader on it with a front mount pump. I had to replace the fan belt once so naturally had to remove the pump. I think what I remember is that the shaft for the pump was threaded on the end and actually replaced that old ratchet thing that held the pulley on and facilitated hand cranking. Any pump should come with everything you need to mount it. Keep in mind that you will also need a tank for the hydraulic oil for the front pump. My Davis loader does not need a tank since a part of the actual frame serves as the tank. If I remember right, that pump shaft was also left threaded in the crank.

I'm thinking that you'll also need the hydraulic levers to operate the front lift. Doesn't sound cheap. But will be much better than using the 8N stock hydraulics.
I've heard talk of people having to actually chain down the three point hitch to get enough hydraulics to the loader. With the front pump I can use my back blade and loader at the same time while repairing my dirt roads.
This post was edited by Caryc at 14:08:48 03/26/10.

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03-26-2010 13:46:09

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 Re: 8N Hydraulics in reply to oldtanker, 03-26-2010 13:41:09  
Zanes Live thang works off the fan belt. If I wanted a loader thats what I'd use.

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