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Millicoma John

01-11-2010 16:00:01

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How do you test a round coil on an 8N?
Tractor turns over but will not start. I suspect coil? Thanks for any and all help,

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01-11-2010 17:20:28

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 Re: 8N Coil in reply to Millicoma John, 01-11-2010 16:00:01  
VERY unlikely to be a bad coil since the side mount coils are next to bullet proof unless you leave the key on for a long time and then most will have a bauldge (sp) at the bottom if that happens. More likely to be bad or dirty points, bad ignition switch or even bad condenser.

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Bruce (VA)

01-11-2010 16:24:16

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 Re: 8N Coil in reply to Millicoma John, 01-11-2010 16:00:01  

6v or 12v? It makes a difference troubleshooting.

There are a lot of things I'd suspect before a round coil. Rather than fixate on a broken part ( and an unlikely one at that) try some troubleshooting.

There are three very important tools you always need to have in your N tool box: a 3 inch piece of wire w/ alligator clips on each end, an old spark plug w/ the gap opened to at least 3/16Ē ( ľĒ is better) and a 7/16 box end wrench. And, you really do need a working ammeter. With these tools, you can quickly narrow down most N problems to spark or fuel.

First, check for fuel. Remove the bolt in the bottom of the carb; as long as the fuel is turned on, you should see gas flowing out of the carb. If itís a dribble, or runs for 5 seconds & stops, or none at all, you have solved half the problem: itís fuel related. If gas flows well out of the carb & only stops when you turn it off at the sediment bowl, chances are very good itís not a fuel problem. So, next, crank the engine & look at the ammeter. What is the ammeter doing? Does it show a constant discharge, no movement at all, or does it dip? Next, get the old plug, ground it to a rust & paint free spot on the engine, turn the key on & crank the engine. If the spark jumps the 3/16Ē gap, you probably donít have a spark problem. If it wonít jump the 3/16Ē gap, you have a spark problem. If the ammeter shows a constant discharge, or doesnít move at all, that also tells you that you have a spark problem. Jump the ignition switch w/ your jumper wire & see what happens. If it runs, you found the problem. If it doesnít have spark after you jump the ignition switch, post back for more info on further troubleshooting.

If it does not have gas coming out of the carb at a steady stream w/ the bolt out, you have a fuel problem. First, remove the gas cap. Your vent could be clogged & it vacuum locked. If that doesnít work, tap the carb bowl w/ a hammer handle in case the float is sticking closed. (donít whack it w/ the head of the hammer; you can crack the bowl). If you still donít see gas flowing, the N has three fuel screens; one in the brass elbow, one in the top of the sediment bowl & one on the stem of the sediment bowl in the gas tank. Check the screen in the elbow & the screen in the top of the sediment bowl. (donít worry about the one in the tank) Both probably need to be cleaned. If you have the fuel knob turned on all the way, & 1 gallon or less in the tank, it may be trying to feed off of the reserve inlet which is probably clogged. Only open it 2 full turns. Put at least 2 gallons in the tank.

There are ways to check for spark & fuel that work & ways that don't. For example, having gas to the carb is nice, but having it past the float is what counts! Thatís why removing the bolt in the bottom of the carb is the way to do it. And, same thing w/ spark at the plugs. Some folks think that checking for spark means pulling a plug wire off & looking for one. Well, it's the distance the spark jumps at the plug that gives you the info you want. It takes about 17kv to jump a 3/16" gap & 22kv to jump ľĒ in the open air, so that's why you need to use a spark plug. Or, a store bought plug checker. Remember, itís 14psi outside of the engine & about 90psi at a 6:1 compression ratio in the cylinders & compressed air creates electrical resistance, so you really need the 17-22kv to fire the plugs when the engine is running.

Coil problems are difficult to diagnose. For starters, round coils are pretty robust & square coils arenít (because of the difference in insulation used), but neither one will hold up to a poorly done 12v conversion that allows too much current to the coil. Too much current creates heat which melts the insulation. There are a few ways to see if a coil is bad, but itís not possible to determine if a coil is good w/o some expensive testing equipment. If you detect a dead short or high resistance in the coil w/ an ohm meter, itís bad. If itís cracked, itís bad. If a sidemount coil w/ battery voltage to the primary will not jump a ľĒ gap from the secondary wire to the block, itís bad. But, here is the hard part: even if you do not detect a short, even if it will produce a spark, even if itís not cracked, that doesnít mean the coil will work when itís hot & under a load. So, itís a process of elimination. If the tractor starts & runs fine for 30 minutes or an hour then cuts off & refuses to re-start, and you checked for spark at the plugs & it had no spark at all, AND you have the correct voltage at the coil thatís a good sign that you have a bad coil. Let it cool off, restart it & if you have a good spark, odds are itís a bad coil. But, even then, you might end up w/ a spare coil on the shelf!

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Millicoma John

01-11-2010 19:38:16

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 Re: 8N Coil in reply to Bruce (VA), 01-11-2010 16:24:16  
Thanks sooo much. I will try your suggestions and get back with you tomorrow. It"s late here for me to go out and work on this, but I will give it a shot in the am. You are most appreciated!! Thanks, John

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Bruce (VA)

01-12-2010 06:10:43

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 Re: 8N Coil in reply to Millicoma John, 01-11-2010 19:38:16  
You're welcome. Pls post back w/ results or more questions.

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01-11-2010 16:14:03

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 Re: 8N Coil in reply to Millicoma John, 01-11-2010 16:00:01  
I use a jumper wire at the ignition switch and check for a good spark.That could mean the coil is charging to fire.

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