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pto does not lift when cold

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Trucker1290

01-03-2010 09:06:23
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Tried to use the rear blade today. Got about 2 feet of snow. The 2n started up fine, it is in a tractor shed, but the 3 pt hitch will not lift. It turns fine, but will not go up. I searched the archives but could not find an answer, I know they are there but must be searching the wrong terms. It's about 11 degrees out but I used it 2 weeks ago when it was about 20 with out a problem. I tried putting a heater in the shed for about a hour, but no luck. Any suggestions. Thanks

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Trucker1290

01-03-2010 17:33:10
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 Re: pto does not lift when cold in reply to Trucker1290, 01-03-2010 09:06:23  
OK, I'll see if anyone has an idea for a good wattage for a block heater. I'm in upstate NY and it does get cold here. I would guess the bigger the better and one that is 300-400 watts probably would work better then one rated at 200 watts, but I'll wait and see what people have to say. thanks



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Dunk

01-03-2010 17:28:34
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 Re: pto does not lift when cold in reply to MattCatlin, 01-03-2010 09:06:23  

trucker1290 said: (quoted from post at 21:14:57 01/03/10) Dunk, Would a block heater on the transmission help and what would be a good wattage to use?


We will have to wait on the yanks to answer that.

I don't like the cold, and I live in NW GA.

I have to believe that it would, or using the lesser thickness oil.

We have folks on here that can live in 40 below grandmas arse and it dragging, for 9 months out of the year.

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Dunk

01-03-2010 17:12:21
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 Re: pto does not lift when cold in reply to Trucker1290, 01-03-2010 09:06:23  
My '49 8N don't like GL-1 in 70*.

I have about half GL-1 and half GL-5 in it right now, I bet the lift would be VERY slow at these temps, if it would work at all.



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trucker1290

01-03-2010 17:14:57
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 Re: pto does not lift when cold in reply to Dunk, 01-03-2010 17:12:21  
Dunk, Would a block heater on the transmission help and what would be a good wattage to use?



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Jerry/MT

01-03-2010 16:48:38
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 Re: pto does not lift when cold in reply to Trucker1290, 01-03-2010 09:06:23  
My TO-30( nearly the same hydraulic system as the N series Fords) has a slow response in cold weather (ambient temps below 32F) until it warms up.It just high oil viscosity at low tempertaures that causes it. In fact, if I let out the clutch without choking it a little bit the engine will sometimes stall. After about 5 minutes of running the lift will slowly rise and after about 5 minutes of plowing it"s about normal. No doubt that ice can form if you have water in the fluid but that"s not my case. Ferguson recommended SAE 80 GL-1 fluid in winter and SAE 90 for summer use to help the problem. If you don"t have water in the transhydraulic system then it could just be the response of the fluid to lower temps. Changing to a lower viscosity fluid can help.

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01-03-2010 10:14:50
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 Re: pto does not lift when cold in reply to Trucker1290, 01-03-2010 09:06:23  
I got to give you a hard time on this. A PTO never will lfit but the 3 point will LOL, as I said just giving you a hard time. As Dell say water in the system will get you what you have right now. I had that type of thing happen to me on my 841 not long ago and had a frozen tranny and had to pour some HEET in it then cover the tractor and put a heating on the running board so it would heat up the tranny case. I also had to engine running to help speed things up. Took about an hour to thaw it out then drained it and fill with new fluid and it has been fine ever since

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Dell (WA)

01-03-2010 09:25:37
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 Re: pto does not lift when cold in reply to Trucker1290, 01-03-2010 09:06:23  
Trucker......sounds like you've got WATER in yer hydraulic's and it FROZEN. You do know ICE can BREAK yer hydraulic pump, don't you??? Unless you direct yer heater to yer hydraulic plate, just heating yer shed is an effort in creature comfort (you) .......Dell, the thawed



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Trucker1290

01-03-2010 11:55:20
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 Re: pto does not lift when cold in reply to Dell (WA), 01-03-2010 09:25:37  
OK, so let's assume that it is water in the fluid and that it has a frozen pump. Hopefully there is no damage to the pump. I pulled it into the shop and will wait till it heats up and then drain the fluid. Planned on doing this in the spring when I changed the front seal and the pto seal, but that will have to wait. Probably will try and clean the pump while I'm at it. Just hope we don't get a ton of snow in the meantime. Thanks for the assistance.

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