12 Stealth Conversion

nondem

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My 1950 8N(front mount) came with a 12v genny which I thought was the original one till I had it rebuilt. The rebuilder told me it was a 12v off a Ford Car from that era. Someone here called it the "Stealth" conversion. So anyway I had it rebuilt as a 12v and it looks far closer to OEM than an Alternator would. Unfortunately - it has the cooling fan under the pulley and occasionally the axle comes up enough to hit the fan fins pushing them into the body of the genny. Makes an awful racket till I turn it off and bend the fins back.

I'm not happy about that and now the voltage regulator has died. Since it's not OEM and the fins keep getting bent I'm thinking now is the time to deal with the generating system permanently. So now I have to decide how to proceed.
The problem is - I want it all. I want 12v system that looks at least to the average person to be OEM.
I looked around and am not finding any OEM looking genny's except 6v. Are my only options a lame-looking Alternator or a 6v system?
 
(quoted from post at 14:20:57 08/21/09) My 1950 8N(front mount) came with a 12v genny which I thought was the original one till I had it rebuilt. The rebuilder told me it was a 12v off a Ford Car from that era. Someone here called it the "Stealth" conversion. So anyway I had it rebuilt as a 12v and it looks far closer to OEM than an Alternator would. Unfortunately - it has the cooling fan under the pulley and occasionally the axle comes up enough to hit the fan fins pushing them into the body of the genny. Makes an awful racket till I turn it off and bend the fins back.

I'm not happy about that and now the voltage regulator has died. Since it's not OEM and the fins keep getting bent I'm thinking now is the time to deal with the generating system permanently. So now I have to decide how to proceed.
The problem is - I want it all. I want 12v system that looks at least to the average person to be OEM.
I looked around and am not finding any OEM looking genny's except 6v. Are my only options a lame-looking Alternator or a 6v system?

Are you sure your problem isn't the front pivot pin and bushing?

Or maybe too long a fan belt?
 
(quoted from post at 13:41:48 08/21/09)
(quoted from post at 14:20:57 08/21/09) My 1950 8N(front mount) came with a 12v genny which I thought was the original one till I had it rebuilt. The rebuilder told me it was a 12v off a Ford Car from that era. Someone here called it the "Stealth" conversion. So anyway I had it rebuilt as a 12v and it looks far closer to OEM than an Alternator would. Unfortunately - it has the cooling fan under the pulley and occasionally the axle comes up enough to hit the fan fins pushing them into the body of the genny. Makes an awful racket till I turn it off and bend the fins back.

I'm not happy about that and now the voltage regulator has died. Since it's not OEM and the fins keep getting bent I'm thinking now is the time to deal with the generating system permanently. So now I have to decide how to proceed.
The problem is - I want it all. I want 12v system that looks at least to the average person to be OEM.
I looked around and am not finding any OEM looking genny's except 6v. Are my only options a lame-looking Alternator or a 6v system?

Are you sure your problem isn't the front pivot pin and bushing?

Or maybe too long a fan belt?
As Dunk said, you have something else wrong. Axle pivot worn out, belt too long or goofy generator mounting brackets that allow the gen to hang out too far or too low, just as a too long belt will do. If you think that interference ss bad, just remember that the popular alternator is a good bit chubbier than any generator. If up really want to drop some big $, get a gener-nator. $845
http://www.gener-nator.com/
 
I'm not sure about the 8N but I know that the 6V generators used on the X00 and X01 tractors did not have any cutouts in the generator housing to allow cooling air to enter or exit nor did they have a fan behind the pulley because there wasn't any place to blow air into. The 12V generators that were used on the X01 Diesels had cutouts for cooling air and therefore had a fan. If you convert your 6V generator to 12V it may overheat.
Since you want to keep the 12V system you need to find out why the axle is hitting the fan and fix that problem.
 
Thanks for the input/ideas. I ordered the new belt thinking it was for the OEM genny so it certainly may not be the right size. Also, the adjustment bracket doesn't align perfectly so either one of those could be the culprit that is putting the cooling fins in the way.

I don't think my axle pivot is bad - it's actually the steering link that is making contact - sorry I wasn't clearer with my original post.
That Genernator is cool but I'd need to get a correct genny first then have it converted....I might do so just to see if I like it...I could always toss it and go back to my franken-genny :)

I think since the genny I have is already rebuilt and looks acceptable - I'll go ahead and get a new regulator and stay the existing course.

Thanks again to all you guys for the help on this an a bunch of other stuff in the recent past.
I'm transitioning back into a past interest that I can once again afford so I'll be more scarce here in the future. I won't be letting go of my beloved 8N though so as time goes forward I'll prolly stop in when something goes wrong :)


-Randy
 
(quoted from post at 21:35:00 08/21/09) Thanks for the input/ideas. I ordered the new belt thinking it was for the OEM genny so it certainly may not be the right size. Also, the adjustment bracket doesn't align perfectly so either one of those could be the culprit that is putting the cooling fins in the way.

I don't think my axle pivot is bad - it's actually the steering link that is making contact - sorry I wasn't clearer with my original post.
That Genernator is cool but I'd need to get a correct genny first then have it converted....I might do so just to see if I like it...I could always toss it and go back to my franken-genny :)

I think since the genny I have is already rebuilt and looks acceptable - I'll go ahead and get a new regulator and stay the existing course.

Thanks again to all you guys for the help on this an a bunch of other stuff in the recent past.
I'm transitioning back into a past interest that I can once again afford so I'll be more scarce here in the future. I won't be letting go of my beloved 8N though so as time goes forward I'll prolly stop in when something goes wrong :)


-Randy

Worn front end axle pin and or bushing will allow contact with the steering link.
 

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