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Woo Hoo - Tight oil pump bushings!

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Dan

02-21-2008 18:26:53




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I was not too satisfied with the fit of my new oil pump gear shaft in the freshly reamed bushing I got back from the machine shop. In all fairness - my machine shop guy did say up front he did not have the right size reamer, and I think used a drill on a milling machine. I found this old original oil pump bushing reamer set on eBay and got it in today. Now, this is not the modern piece of junk reamer you can still get - this is an original with a TYPED (yes, typed) instruction sheet and heavy duty jig to center it. It came with two rods - a short one to press the old bushing out and install the new one, and a long rod to center the jig. The jig also had a hole for the other gear stud and two screws that screwed into the stock oil pump housing holes to keep it centered. The reamer was still very sharp and looked hardly used at all. The kit also had two original Ford bushings still in the package and a bunch of old oil tubing and fittings.

From start to finish the job to press out the bushing my machine shop reamed and put a new one in - and ream, took about 30 minutes or so (I went slow and took my time). The gear shaft is now nice and snug in the housing and the gears meshed fine with no binding. It is about the best $32 I have spent in a long time!

Dan

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TheOldHokie

02-22-2008 10:29:20




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 Re: Woo Hoo - Tight oil pump bushings! in reply to Helping Jerry, 02-21-2008 18:26:53  
That's exactly the setup that I'd come up with after that last thread. And that jig looks very much like the one Hobo sent me. I was pretty busy at that time and didn't spend much time looking it over but I don't recall the positioning setup (second hole and pilot shaft). That's why I labeled it a pice of chit ;-) May have been in the box of parts and I just missed it. There were no instructions so I was winging it.
After more thought I'd decided the bored hole for the post was redundant - you don't need or even want the centerline spacing. In fact you can calculate that quite easily given the number of teeth and gear pitch. All you really need do is center on the bore on the pump housing. If you index on that bore your gear spacing and housing clearances will be correct because that bore is very precisely located when the rough pump casting is finished at the factory. In fact that's how I'd do it on a milling machine table without a jig.
So to fabricate jigs all I need is a couple hours alone with a pump housing with an undamaged bushing bore (or your jig). I'll use it to get the basic size and shape of the jig plate and locate the outer bolt holes. Then bolt the jig plate to the pump housing, center the bore on the milling machine table and drill and ream the guide hole in the jig plate right through the bore in the pump housing. Voila - a "master" jig plate from which additional jigs can be made. Fabricate a pilot shaft and bushing driver and we're good to go.

TOH

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Hobo,NC

02-22-2008 10:17:52




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 Re: Woo Hoo - Tight oil pump bushings! in reply to Dan, 02-21-2008 18:26:53  
The jig also had a hole for the other gear stud

Mine don't have that,,, can you scan and email me the instructions,,, old buddy

I don't seam to B as patient as some,,, I have this problem,,,once i lay my paws on it some'in is gonna move

I have a spare pump,,, mite have'ta give it anutter shot,,, funny thang is I have had success with the tool,,, all of a sudden its a no go



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Dan

02-22-2008 11:08:30




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 Re: Woo Hoo - Tight oil pump bushings! in reply to Hobo,NC, 02-22-2008 10:17:52  
I sent you quite a few pics and a scan of the instructions. Let me know if you need closeups of anything else.

Dan



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Hobo,NC

02-22-2008 16:36:44




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 Re: Woo Hoo - Tight oil pump bushings! in reply to Dan, 02-22-2008 11:08:30  
Thanks Dan ,,, mine does not have the idle gear line up gizmo,,, I spec I was installing the bush'in first and not git'in a straight shot from the jig,,, I have a few more engines to build soon as I git the time,,, gonna give it anutter try with you help



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D Squared

02-22-2008 05:01:50




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 Re: Woo Hoo - Tight oil pump bushings! in reply to Dan, 02-21-2008 18:26:53  
Dan,

I figure that you won't need it again for about 20 years or so, so you can send it to me and I will send it to the next guy. Pay it forward. Just kidding, I rebuilt mine about 8 years ago so I should be good for a while. The funny thing was that the guy I bought my 8N from (the wifes boss) had the motor rebuilt 1 year before I bought it. Right after I bought it the oil pump went out. The bushings had about 1/4 inch of slop. Obviously never touched.

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Dan

02-22-2008 08:39:17




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 Re: Woo Hoo - Tight oil pump bushings! in reply to D Squared, 02-22-2008 05:01:50  
Who said I wouldn't need it again for 20 years - my wife? My next project can't be too far away :-)

Dan



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TheOldHokie

02-22-2008 05:00:42




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 Re: Woo Hoo - Tight oil pump bushings! in reply to redleg, 02-21-2008 18:26:53  
Interesting! Let me see if I've got the operation right. You fit the hole in the jig over the gear shaft, insert the pilot shaft into the bore to be reamed, and bolt the jig in place. Then you install the bushing and ream?

Dan



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Dan

02-22-2008 08:37:36




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 Re: Woo Hoo - Tight oil pump bushings! in reply to TheOldHokie, 02-22-2008 05:00:42  
Sounds like you have it right, but I will clarify in detail:

Remove the drive gear, driven gear, and shaft from the housing. Remove the old bushing from the housing using the small shaft (the smaller size fits inside the bushing, the thicker side pushes the bushing but is just a hair smaller than the stock bushing bore in the housing so it slides through). Set the jig on the housing where the pump gears sit. There are two holes in the jig - one for the reamer that goes all the way through, and another only on one side that fits around the driven gear post in the housing. Insert the long shaft from the opposite side of the housing (closest to the front of the engine when mounted) through the bushing bore AND the jig - the smaller diameter goes through the reamer opening in the jig and centers the jig perfectly with the bushing bore. With the long shaft still in place, use the two bolts to secure the jig tightly to the housing using two of the three stock mounting holes in the housing that holds the pickup tube plate on. Remove the long tube and press the new bushing in place from the outside of the pump housing using the smaller shaft being careful not to move the jig. Next, place the housing in a vice with the jig facing up. Oil the reamer and insert from the jig side until it bottoms out on the new bushing (it states in bold letters not to start turning until the reamer is bottomed out). It says using oil makes the surface that is cut smoother. The reamer is slightly beveled on the leading tip on the cutting end to center and start cutting easier (like we discussed a few days back) and fits tightly in the jig opening without binding. I used my thumb to press down on the top of the reamer while using a 7/16" wrench to turn the reamer. I took my time here and kept pulling the reamer out to clean the bushing chips and re-oil the reamer. The reamer cut very smoothly and the main shaft went in smooth but had no side to side wiggle and only spun about one revolution when spun by hand. I installed the drive gear and tested - no binding on the side of the pump housing. Installed the driven gear and the same - no wiggle between the two, but no binding. Last step - crack open a cold one with a S--- eating grin that you finally got the tolerance perfect using an old but quality tool AND you did it yourself!

Just about perfect I thought. I am willing to ship this to you if you want to take a crack at reproducing it for others.

HTH,
Dan

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schultz47

02-22-2008 03:13:27




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 Re: Woo Hoo - Tight oil pump bushings! in reply to Dan, 02-21-2008 18:26:53  
Just rebuilt my oil pump too. But - I took mine to a guy that has had a machine shop for as long as I can remember. He dug around in his "reamers" drawer, put the right one in the drill press, and reamed the bushing. When I asked what I owed him, he said "is $5 too much?" Can't beat that!



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Dunk

02-21-2008 19:59:32




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 Re: Woo Hoo - Tight oil pump bushings! in reply to Dan, 02-21-2008 18:26:53  
I always did get a good kick outa reeming a good tight bushing.

Problem is, I havent found one in 20 years or more.



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Bruce (VA)

02-21-2008 19:11:18




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 Re: Woo Hoo - Tight oil pump bushings! in reply to Dan, 02-21-2008 18:26:53  
Great news indeed! So, how much are you going to charge us less fortunate folks to install bushings in our pumps?! :)



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Dan

02-21-2008 19:57:44




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 Re: Woo Hoo - Tight oil pump bushings! in reply to Bruce (VA), 02-21-2008 19:11:18  
I will gladly ream them for old iron fanatics for free. I want to see these great machines around for another 50+ years - and low oil pressure will just not do :-)

Dan



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Bruce (VA)

02-22-2008 05:52:36




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 Re: Woo Hoo - Tight oil pump bushings! in reply to Dan, 02-21-2008 19:57:44  
Well, I was just kidding, but that sure is nice of you! The problem, as you know probably better than most of us, is that it usually takes a machinist as old as the tractor to have the right tool to do the job right.



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