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Ferguson Plow Problems

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Rob9N

01-09-2006 11:27:11
137.246.104.100



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I am having proplems plowing with a two bottom Ferguson Plow. The plow is missing the coulters and tailwheel. The plow won't turn over the ground and has problems cutting into the ground. Seems to always get plugged up with grass etc. Was wondering if anyone could answer the following questions:
1. Could the missing coulters and tailwheel be causing the problems mentioned above?
2. If so, where can one get coulters and tailwheel for a ferguson plow?
3. If it isn't the missing coulter or tailwheel, what could it be?

I have plowed many time using a single bottom plow, but this two bottom Ferguson is giving me nothing but problems.
thanks
rob

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Tim PloughNman Daley

01-11-2006 08:30:34
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 Re: Ferguson Plow Problems in reply to Rob9N, 01-09-2006 11:27:11  
Hey Rob-
The Ferguson/Sherman and Dearborn plows won't plow worth beans without the rolling landside (tail wheel) but many a farmer took the coulters off simply because they plug up fast or were not needed in softer soils. The key is practice and sharp shares.

Tim Daley (MI)
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Hobo,NC

01-10-2006 16:36:21
71.28.124.232



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 Re: Ferguson Plow Problems in reply to Rob9N, 01-09-2006 11:27:11  
Part # fer the shares for the 14-AO-2B I got frome the CNH dealer izz CAS-179349A1 $12.73 apiece, fit like a glove.



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lonestarjeff

01-10-2006 20:54:28
24.1.34.31



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 Re: Ferguson Plow Problems in reply to Hobo,NC, 01-10-2006 16:36:21  
Hobo:

Are those shares what I've heard referred to as razor shares?

Have you tried 'em?

Jeff



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Hobo,NC

01-11-2006 04:34:39
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 Re: Ferguson Plow Problems in reply to lonestarjeff, 01-10-2006 20:54:28  
Not sure what ya call'em they do werk well in clay. Untill I got new'ins I did not realize how bad my old ones were. The CNH dealer had one in stock and wuz able to order sum more so they are avalible. Thats how i found the match for the one I had. They had over a 100 shares in stock and let me go threw'em.



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lonestarjeff

01-09-2006 19:17:50
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 Re: Ferguson Plow Problems in reply to Rob9N, 01-09-2006 11:27:11  
Rob:

Like Hobo mentioned, Zane's post is a huge help setting up the plows. Alot of the rest is trial & error.

I have a single bottom w/ a really good share(or point)on it & a Ferguson 2-bottom w/ fair to poor shares on it. Niether has a tailwheel or coulters. From using both plows I think the set-up is 65% of the performance, the condition of the points is 30%, all the other stuff is 5%.

Do you know if your points are good? Have anything to compare them to?

Jeff

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Jack-Illinois

01-09-2006 18:46:42
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 Re: Ferguson Plow Problems in reply to Rob9N, 01-09-2006 11:27:11  
The going in the ground was a fairly common problem with the Ford & Ferguson plows. Back when they were made most were sharpened by the local blacksmith. The share as they were called in my neck of the woods was heated in a forge and beat out to the right shape with a hammer. The amount the tip and leading edge was tilted down with the hammer was refered to as suck. If it did not have the proper suck, you could drag it around all day and not get it in the ground. Some now think that the upper link will give it the tilt or angle it needs to engage the ground, but this is not the right way to solve the problem. The original top link was only adjustable by loosening the bolts and sliding it which only amounted to about 1/2" of movement. The adjustable crank on the right lift arm is to set the front to rear bottom to be plowing at equal depth. As to your trash problem, that is the main reason farmers disc the fields before plowing. Breaking it up into small clumps with help a lot in keeping it from raping around the beam or just pushing ahead of the plow. This takes me back over 50 years ago when dad explained to me how to plow with the new little Ford (my tractor). He ran the old Oliver 70 pulling a 2 bottom Allis Chalmers rope trip plow that I was to learn later was a lot harder to use than the Ford!!

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Dan

01-09-2006 16:44:57
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 Re: Ferguson Plow Problems in reply to Rob9N, 01-09-2006 11:27:11  
I do not have any experience plowing, but I am in the process of restoring my 1941 Ferguson 14-A two bottom plow now. I found the jointers from Scott(PA) on the "Other" board, and got a used tail wheel from another member on the "Other" board. The tail was beat up pretty bad, and welded everywhere, but the price was right and I will probably not use it much, so I just cleaned it up with an angle grinder until the welded area was smooth with the rest of the support arm and painted - looks almost as good as new. The hub for the tail wheel was another matter. The hub that was on it was not the correct one, and kinda "rigged" up. I lucked out with Scot(PA) again as he found two original NOS hubs, so now my tailwheel is complete. These tail wheels (land slides) are very tough to find as you will soon discover.

Just waiting on sandblasting and painting the frame now to put it all back together. I picked up new 7/16" plow bolts today to replace them all.

Good luck,
Dan

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Hobo,NC

01-09-2006 15:45:52
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 Re: Ferguson Plow Problems in reply to Rob9N, 01-09-2006 11:27:11  
I use this set up and werks fer me. I have never used a tail wheel or counters. The share does need to be in good condition either replace with a new one or weld a new tip on the old one. I replaced mine with a CASE # Well i kin not find the # now I will look fer it. On new ground it will help if you run a chissel/field cultivator over it a few times first. on ground that i plant on every year I have not had enny problems once I git my draft set rite. i have run into farmers older than dirt and tell'em they have theirs set wrong and kin not beleive the difference in the way the plow werks after I set it up fer'em. Untill I read Zanes set up I had to fight'em to.

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LarryNAA

01-09-2006 15:39:32
72.225.35.81



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 Re: Ferguson Plow Problems in reply to Rob9N, 01-09-2006 11:27:11  
I don"t see how it would work as designed, with out the landside wheel and (if you are plowing land with established sod) the coulters. Especially the landside wheel (AKA Tailwheel).
Coulters are like big pizza cutters, cuting the sod so it folds over. Without them, it"s hard to get the sod to behave. Without the landside, it has nothing to keep it up against the last furrow. Parts are hard to find for Ferg Plows. That"s why so many have been stripped of parts. There are parts out there, but you gotta look hard.

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TIMW(PA)

01-09-2006 13:43:45
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 Re: Ferguson Plow Problems in reply to Rob9N, 01-09-2006 11:27:11  

Ferguson had a publication out called the plow book. It has all the info on how to adjust them. I found a downloadable copy in the manuals section over at the other board. while you're there I saw an ad from Scot(PA) that he is selling some parts for them. The tail wheel is gonna be very hard to find coulter and joiners are about as bad. Hope to help....Tim

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blair (can)

01-09-2006 18:42:30
206.172.223.144



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 Re: Ferguson Plow Problems in reply to TIMW(PA), 01-09-2006 13:43:45  
Can you tell me where this "other site" is. I am interested in the Ferguson Plow Manual. Thanks



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TIMW(PA)

01-10-2006 11:04:30
71.126.39.67



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 Plow Book Links in reply to blair (can), 01-09-2006 18:42:30  
Ok I think I figured out a solution. I re-scanned the Plow Book by Harry Ferguson each page individually as images and saved them to my photobucket site. I am posting links to each page as I dont want to overwhelm any of those that are on dial up. Just open and save each one to a single folder on your PC to print of save....Hope this Helps....Tim

Cover
Page 1
Page 2
Page 3
Page 4
Page 5
Page 6
Page 7
Page 8
Page 9
Page 10
Page 11
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blair (can)

01-10-2006 18:41:40
206.172.171.29



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 Re: Plow Book Links in reply to TIMW(PA), 01-10-2006 11:04:30  
Thankyou. Everything work fine.



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TIMW(PA)

01-10-2006 06:37:43
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 Re: Ferguson Plow Problems in reply to blair (can), 01-09-2006 18:42:30  
The "other" site is a big can of worms. I haven't been around long enough to know what happened other than there is some animosity there. Anyway I scanned in my copy as a pdf file. i'm trying a new upload service to share it. I couldn't find an option here or at photobucket to upload and share a pdf file to so I hope this place works...here goes
p.s. you'll need adobe acrobat to read it

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TIMW(PA)

01-10-2006 07:05:05
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 Re: Ferguson Plow Problems in reply to TIMW(PA), 01-10-2006 06:37:43  
Hmmm dosent seem to work. it opens fine on my PC but wont open from the web site. I Dont know how to make it work. I could e-mail it if you opened your e-mail. its big though, about 3mb . Let me know



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Mike OH

01-09-2006 13:24:20
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 Re: Ferguson Plow Problems in reply to Rob9N, 01-09-2006 11:27:11  
It could be several things, but one thing for sure is if the shares are worn too badly, you won't get any suck into the ground. Check the archives. I think Zane posted a write-up on how to adjust the plows a while back. And no, you don't need the coulters, but I wouldn't want to plow without the tail wheel myself.



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Rick H. Ga.

01-09-2006 12:40:13
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 Re: Ferguson Plow Problems in reply to Rob9N, 01-09-2006 11:27:11  
Hi Rob,

I had a Ferguson 2 bottom plow for years. You don"t absolutley have to have the coulters or the tail wheel to plow ground well.

The key is to adjust the tilt and top link so that the front and rear plows will work in conjunction with each.

If adjusted correctly, it will plow a beautiful two bottom furrow that will guide the front tire perfectly down the next furrow. HTH. Rick



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randy

01-09-2006 13:02:39
68.22.253.104



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 Re: Ferguson Plow Problems in reply to Rick H. Ga., 01-09-2006 12:40:13  
is the plow cover with rust? it may take a while to scour it before it will work properly



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Rob9N

01-09-2006 12:46:32
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 Re: Ferguson Plow Problems in reply to Rick H. Ga., 01-09-2006 12:40:13  
Thanks Rick,
I have tried for hours to adjust the plow to cut better but have not had any luck. Can you explain the correct tilt and top link adjustment so I can give her a shot in the spring.



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OH Boy

01-09-2006 12:03:12
63.18.132.247



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 Re: Ferguson Plow Problems in reply to Rob9N, 01-09-2006 11:27:11  
My Ferguson 2-14 plugs up worse with the coulters on it than it does when they are off it.

I think your biggest problem is the missing tail wheel, there nothing to keep the plow from drifting too far to the side without the tail wheel.



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