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Ford 9N, 2N & 8N Discussion Forum
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8N Live PTO Conversion??

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WoodchuckJake

12-23-2004 14:22:21
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Hello I"m another newbe. I"m considering buying my father inlaws 8N for a helping hand on our 9 acres. I would like to use a rear facing snowblower (More readily available than drag type) but with no live PTO I understand this can be a challange based on the reverse speed/stopping. My father inlaw says he heard about a conversion kit for the PTO to make it live. Does anyone have some insight?
Thanks Jake


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Robert Paris

12-23-2004 17:05:13
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 Re: 8N Live PTO Conversion?? in reply to WoodchuckJake, 12-23-2004 14:22:21  
Hi Jake,
I run a 6 feet snowblower on my NAA. Lets just say that it is sport but it does work. I have no live PTO but the NAA is equipped with a Sherman aux. transmission, loaded tires and chains. There are some problems to expect: the weight of the snowblower (bad steering), wet snow is a sure clogger of the chute and lack of power. (1) Now you can add some counter weights, use your brakes to steer or drive backwards (2) don't mess with wet snow, wait untill it freezes. Fluffy stuff is no problem (3) If there's lots of snow you have to do a few passes (layer snowblowing). Like I said it can be done... but I would love to get a more powerfull tractor with live PTO, power steering and a cabin. Snowblowing will give you a real taste of winter. Best of luck and have a Merry Christmas.

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Carl S. in NH

12-23-2004 17:38:37
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 Re: snowblowing in reply to Robert Paris, 12-23-2004 17:05:13  
Well, I am appreciating my front end loader with the 6' snow bucket more and more, after reading about what trying to blow snow is like! I think maybe Jake's best solution would be a front mounted blade he could angle, some weight on the rear plus chains on the tires, and the Sherman over/under transmission would really help too. Then he'd have 12 gears forward to choose from. It makes a much neater job if you're plowing snow you haven't run over yet. (my 2 cents worth)
Carl S.

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Randyrlt

12-23-2004 19:07:01
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 Re: snowblowing in reply to Carl S. in NH, 12-23-2004 17:38:37  
I agree, Carl. I have an Allis 175D and just "pushed" the snow we had in Ohio last night and today. Not to get away from the original post, but a front end loader allows you to put the snow exactly where you want. A snow blower, or back blade would be nice in certain circumstances, but the front loader is the ultimate multi purpose tool for me.
I realize that the 8N might not be set up for the hydraulics like my 175D, so I appreciate your original post. Good luck in getting the white stuff out of the way! I got stuck in the drive where the plow had piled up the snow today. With a few pushes with my 7" bucket, I got into the cleared drive easily.
Merry Christmas everyone!

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Matt (MN)

12-23-2004 15:22:12
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 Re: 8N Live PTO Conversion?? in reply to WoodchuckJake, 12-23-2004 14:22:21  
Jake,

Unless you have a very large area to clear snow from, consider using a back blade to move snow with. No PTO usage involved. It works for me, so long as the depth of snow doen't get out of hand. That's my 2 cents.
Matt



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ZANE

12-23-2004 14:42:53
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 Re: 8N Live PTO Conversion?? in reply to WoodchuckJake, 12-23-2004 14:22:21  
There was an after market drive train interrupter/live PTO device manufactured by the Sherman corp. These devices are a mechanical clutch pack that is mounted on the pinion drive shaft in place of the original drive coupling shaft. They are very rare now and chances of finding one for sale is remote. Possible I suppose but not going to be easy.

Another problem you are going to run into with the 8N is too fast a reverse to use a snow blower with. If the snow blower were self powered and needed no PTO to power it you might be able to add the after market Sherman auxillary transmission that goes in between the cluth and the transmission and has both over drive and underdrive to give the 8N 12 forward speeds total and the lower underdrive speeds would probably be slow enough to operate the snow blower. That is if it did not require the PTO to drive it as the PTO is slowed in proportion to the ground speed and the PTO would not run the snow plow fast enough when in the lower gears.

Buy a Kabota if you want to run it with the factory options already on the tractor!

Zane

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WoodchuckJake

12-23-2004 15:39:30
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 Re: 8N Live PTO Conversion?? in reply to ZANE, 12-23-2004 14:42:53  
Hi Zane
Yes a Kubota would be nice but $$$$. With the sherman PTO conversion, would this not allow you to clutch to slow reverse travel and keep blower running to avoid plug or bogg?
Thanks Jake



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Larry 8N75381

12-23-2004 16:44:17
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 Re: 8N Live PTO Conversion?? in reply to WoodchuckJake, 12-23-2004 15:39:30  
NO, because the PTO out put shaft comes DIRECTLY off the transmission counter shaft. When you push in the clutch you stop the PTO also. I"m sorry to say this, but you are just trying to use the WRONG "tool" for the job.

Now, there are snow blowers that mount on the rear so they can be PTO driven, BUT they face forward so you can drive forward in 1st gear. The only draw back is that that way you have to drive through the snow first before it gets to the blower.

The other thing I would add is that it sure is hard driving in reverse to do "work" on a tractor. They really were made to be operated going forward. That said, I would go along with the rear blade as a good "snow remnoval" system. Most of the time you can do a fine job driving forward, maybe also angling the blade. But when you have to you can back into the snow and move it that way. It is not as easy with an "N" because of the high gear ratio in reverse. It works much better with something like my Ford 3000 that has a lower reverse ratio - plus the 3000 is another 1000# heavier with 10 more horses.

Regards,
Larry

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souNdguy

12-23-2004 20:53:58
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 Re: 8N Live PTO Conversion?? in reply to Larry 8N75381, 12-23-2004 16:44:17  
I believe with the sherman live pto.. you don't use the foot clutch to stop forward travel.. but instead use a hand lever.. that leaves the drivetrain for the pto intact.. but stops power to the wheels... Least that's what I 'think' it does anyway.

Someone else will have more details..

Soundguy



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RG 8N

12-26-2005 19:09:46
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 Re: 8N Live PTO Conversion?? in reply to souNdguy, 12-23-2004 20:53:58  
That is exactly how they work, I have one with this option and, although a little jumpy, it works great!



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