Early 39 mutt ??

1Rustic1 · Sep 9, 2020

Wrong engine "not a smooth block" and has 136 in casting near starter,can't lift the serial #
THE GOOD,
Early radiator w tear drop fan "rear thrust",chrome cap,throttle tip,pto position lever,and 3 point adjustment tip are chrome. Hood is pop in style,smooth dog ears. Aluminum dash/column "key on right", timing cover,govenor plate,govenor " non oiled type"pto covers,quadrant,bottom trans plate. Magalloy to the max.
Has 32" hat trims and a dash button auxiliary step up. Not sure if it's a Sherman or a Howard.
My understanding is the chrome tipped pieces were early 39s ??
Non oiled governors "no oil line" were used in very few units??

1Rustic1 · Sep 9, 2020

Tim PloughNman Daley RIP · Sep 10, 2020

I don't know what you mean by, " non oiled type "pto covers, quadrant, bottom trans plate. Magalloy to the max.,,," No Magnesium parts on the N. What is a 'smooth block' and 'tear drop fan'??? Early 9N had the non-pressurized radiator - big square top. Cap was a STANT model, chromed, tangs face outward. If there is a boss tag cast on the starter pocket, it would be a date code tag, ID'g the date the block was cast, but first character would be a letter - I.E. A = JAN; B = FEB, etc. If this is what you have, it defines engine block was cast at the Rouge on September 3, 1946. 1939 Ford 9N: Gear shift lever was chromed for first 4" or so with top, small steel ball a screw-in type and NOT the later big black Phenolic knobs used on later the 8N and after,; rear wheel hubs smooth; pushbutton starter switch on LH dash panel; ignition 'ON' lamp below AMMETER; key switch on RH dash panel; trans dip[stick on top shift cover; small generator, 2-wire/2-brush with a rectangular Voltage Regulator, NOT the cutout; governor cast iron -no oil line, but after '43 could have been added; battery/fuel door was snap-in type, with it and hood aluminum on first 700/800 units only; 4-spoke steering wheel; horizontal bar aluminum grille; brake pedals both on LH side; double ribbed fenders; grease Zerks on front spindles; and I-Beam rad rods; for some items. Don't ever assume you can ID model by what is chrome nor all or by any of these parts as they may have been changed out at some point. A lot of tractors had engines swapped out so no big deal if you have a mutt. What is important is what is on YOUR tractor. MPC's can identify parts as when they were changed. OEM parts had the '9N' prefix with a letter suffix if a change was made.

EARLY 8N ENGINE CASTING DATE CODE BOSS, (I167) SEPTEMBER 16, 1947:

Tim Daley(MI)

DMartin9N-2N · Sep 10, 2020

Good afternoon: Just to add to the Mutt idea; I have a tractor that is mostly 9N according to my parts book. BUT, I know the engine was replaced long before I got the tractor, its serial number shows the engine to be a 1943 product, which makes it a 2N engine. The transmission and rear axle area all came from a junk yard after I bought the tractor. Front spindles and hubs on right and left are different from each other; again, junk yard swaps! There are several after market parts, the head is a replacement for 8N which fits my block but is not quite correct. On and on.....
BTW, I treasure my hat rims which we reconstructed from fragments so they would look authentic.

Dennis M. in W. Tenn.

Tim PloughNman Daley RIP · Sep 11, 2020

Nice info D. FWIW: ALL 9N and 2N's were basically the same after 1940, s/n 12500, with only a few minor changes made such as generator changes and steering box. Nothing was changed on the engine. Many parts interchange but only a few don't -hydraulics for one. An 8N head will work on an 9N block -nothing is different. That's why I say unless you have an early 9N that you are planning on a restoring (see Royse above) as a correct restoration, serial numbers mean relatively little. I have a few restored OEM Ford 9N-10000-C and 2N-10000 generators complete with tensioning bracket if you need one.

Tim Daley(MI)

1Rustic1 · Sep 11, 2020

Hopefully my photos upload.

1Rustic1 · Sep 21, 2020

(quoted from post at 13:34:34 09/11/20) Hopefully my photos upload.

1Rustic1 · Nov 23, 2020

(quoted from post at 16:01:46 09/21/20)

(quoted from post at 13:34:34 09/11/20) Hopefully my photos upload.

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A few pics of the what I believe is a early 39 9N.
Number is stamped in transmission housing. Engine is later " MUTT" ... Any ideas? My understanding is only the early 39's had the chrome levers.

1Rustic1 · Nov 23, 2020

(quoted from post at 03:00:53 09/10/20) I don't know what you mean by, " non oiled type "pto covers, quadrant, bottom trans plate. Magalloy to the max.,,," No Magnesium parts on the N. What is a 'smooth block' and 'tear drop fan'??? Early 9N had the non-pressurized radiator - big square top. Cap was a STANT model, chromed, tangs face outward. If there is a boss tag cast on the starter pocket, it would be a date code tag, ID'g the date the block was cast, but first character would be a letter - I.E. A = JAN; B = FEB, etc. If this is what you have, it defines engine block was cast at the Rouge on September 3, 1946. 1939 Ford 9N: Gear shift lever was chromed for first 4" or so with top, small steel ball a screw-in type and NOT the later big black Phenolic knobs used on later the 8N and after,; rear wheel hubs smooth; pushbutton starter switch on LH dash panel; ignition 'ON' lamp below AMMETER; key switch on RH dash panel; trans dip[stick on top shift cover; small generator, 2-wire/2-brush with a rectangular Voltage Regulator, NOT the cutout; governor cast iron -no oil line, but after '43 could have been added; battery/fuel door was snap-in type, with it and hood aluminum on first 700/800 units only; 4-spoke steering wheel; horizontal bar aluminum grille; brake pedals both on LH side; double ribbed fenders; grease Zerks on front spindles; and I-Beam rad rods; for some items. Don't ever assume you can ID model by what is chrome nor all or by any of these parts as they may have been changed out at some point. A lot of tractors had engines swapped out so no big deal if you have a mutt. What is important is what is on YOUR tractor. MPC's can identify parts as when they were changed. OEM parts had the '9N' prefix with a letter suffix if a change was made.

EARLY 8N ENGINE CASTING DATE CODE BOSS, (I167) SEPTEMBER 16, 1947:
<center><img src="https://i.imgur.com/hHB61ZVh.jpg"></center>

Tim Daley(MI)

When I get more time I will post pics and respond.

DMartin9N-2N · Nov 23, 2020

Good morning, Tim and others: My third-party head is for an 8N, it fits my engine whose serial number shows as 1943 production. The feature on the head that made me know it was not exactly same as original: The oil filter support bracket attaches to the edge of head. On mine the bracket covers part of the serial number which is stamped on side of block. This revealed to me the fact that a head for 8N has the oil filter bolt holes closer to rear of engine, so there will be room for generator on left side. Only 8Ns with distributor on right side would have generator on left side. So, the third-party head that is for late 8Ns will also work on my 1943 which must be a 2N engine. But the head is NOT EXACT.

Relating to another discussion, my governor did not have an oil line when I got the tractor; I added a few junkyard oil line parts.

Dennis M. in W. Tenn.

8NChris · Nov 23, 2020

(quoted from post at 19:38:33 09/09/20) Wrong engine "not a smooth block" and has 136 in casting near starter,can't lift the serial #
THE GOOD,
Early radiator w tear drop fan "rear thrust",chrome cap,throttle tip,pto position lever,and 3 point adjustment tip are chrome. Hood is pop in style,smooth dog ears. Aluminum dash/column "key on right", timing cover,govenor plate,govenor " non oiled type"pto covers,quadrant,bottom trans plate. Magalloy to the max.
Has 32" hat trims and a dash button auxiliary step up. Not sure if it's a Sherman or a Howard.
My understanding is the chrome tipped pieces were early 39s ??
Non oiled governors "no oil line" were used in very few units??

eck, even I know what you meant when you described the parts. According to all the information I have read the only cable operated auxiliary transmission known to this forum was a Sherman Step Up. The Howard unit is behind the transmission. The hat rims seem to be easily found around here in the southern states. Being more cattle country my guess there is less farming and more mowing. I figure less of the N series needed the extra weight.

1Rustic1 · Nov 23, 2020

(quoted from post at 03:00:53 09/10/20) I don't know what you mean by, " non oiled type "pto covers, quadrant, bottom trans plate. Magalloy to the max.,,," No Magnesium parts on the N. What is a 'smooth block' and 'tear drop fan'??? Early 9N had the non-pressurized radiator - big square top. Cap was a STANT model, chromed, tangs face outward. If there is a boss tag cast on the starter pocket, it would be a date code tag, ID'g the date the block was cast, but first character would be a letter - I.E. A = JAN; B = FEB, etc. If this is what you have, it defines engine block was cast at the Rouge on September 3, 1946. 1939 Ford 9N: Gear shift lever was chromed for first 4" or so with top, small steel ball a screw-in type and NOT the later big black Phenolic knobs used on later the 8N and after,; rear wheel hubs smooth; pushbutton starter switch on LH dash panel; ignition 'ON' lamp below AMMETER; key switch on RH dash panel; trans dip[stick on top shift cover; small generator, 2-wire/2-brush with a rectangular Voltage Regulator, NOT the cutout; governor cast iron -no oil line, but after '43 could have been added; battery/fuel door was snap-in type, with it and hood aluminum on first 700/800 units only; 4-spoke steering wheel; horizontal bar aluminum grille; brake pedals both on LH side; double ribbed fenders; grease Zerks on front spindles; and I-Beam rad rods; for some items. Don't ever assume you can ID model by what is chrome nor all or by any of these parts as they may have been changed out at some point. A lot of tractors had engines swapped out so no big deal if you have a mutt. What is important is what is on YOUR tractor. MPC's can identify parts as when they were changed. OEM parts had the '9N' prefix with a letter suffix if a change was made.

EARLY 8N ENGINE CASTING DATE CODE BOSS, (I167) SEPTEMBER 16, 1947:
<center><img src="https://i.imgur.com/hHB61ZVh.jpg"></center>

Tim Daley(MI)

Probably should have structured my original post differently.
Add the fact I couldn't load photos yet.

I could be wrong but,,,,

Early models used a self lubricated "non oiled" governor that did not have a oil line from the filter canister. These were cast aluminum housings.

MAGALLOY was a SORENSON brand and indeed had a recipe of aluminum and magnesium.

SMOOTH BLOCK is the N series engines the did not have freeze out plugs.

TEAR DROP FAN has sharply rounded tips unlike the later square tipped fans.

This one has all the clues of being a early 39, other than the engine swap.

Early 39 mutt ??

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