2N Oil Pan Removal Questions

wsmm

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I have a crack on a 2N that I purchased years ago, about 32. It has a Wagner front loader on it. The oil pan appears to have been cracked around the second bolt hole on the right side of the tractor. Last year or so I noticed it leaking some oil, only when it was run and then would continue a short time afterward. I think I finally found the area or two where it was leaking. It is right close to the oil pan flange, but on the side of the pan. I cleaned the area with brake cleaner and re-patched with JB weld. That stopped the majority of the leak. However I still got a dribble to the rear of where the groove is for the bolt. I cleaned it again yesterday with brake clean and reapplied more JB weld to the new area. My question is if I need to remove the oil pan can I first jack the tractor up a little at the transmission area and then place a jack stand under to transmission to support it, and then jack up the front of the tractor a very little bit and place another jack stand under the loader where it bolts to the front axle assembly, and then remove the oil pan, by removing all of the bolts attached to the oil pan?
Thanks in advance for all your help, suggestions and answers,
Bill
 
(quoted from post at 09:41:00 08/27/18) I have a crack on a 2N that I purchased years ago, about 32. It has a Wagner front loader on it. The oil pan appears to have been cracked around the second bolt hole on the right side of the tractor. Last year or so I noticed it leaking some oil, only when it was run and then would continue a short time afterward. I think I finally found the area or two where it was leaking. It is right close to the oil pan flange, but on the side of the pan. I cleaned the area with brake cleaner and re-patched with JB weld. That stopped the majority of the leak. However I still got a dribble to the rear of where the groove is for the bolt. I cleaned it again yesterday with brake clean and reapplied more JB weld to the new area. My question is if I need to remove the oil pan can I first jack the tractor up a little at the transmission area and then place a jack stand under to transmission to support it, and then jack up the front of the tractor a very little bit and place another jack stand under the loader where it bolts to the front axle assembly, and then remove the oil pan, by removing all of the bolts attached to the oil pan?
Thanks in advance for all your help, suggestions and answers,
Bill
he front axle and attach point has to come off. No short cut. remove loader and go from there.
 

[i:2f44c790b2]"The front axle and attach point has to come off. No short cut."[/i:2f44c790b2]

i've seen that said often. but i did an in-frame rebuild and did not remove the axle to drop the pan.

YMMV
 
(quoted from post at 10:09:40 08/27/18)
[i:58c9db129e]"The front axle and attach point has to come off. No short cut."[/i:58c9db129e]

i've seen that said often. but i did an in-frame rebuild and did not remove the axle to drop the pan.

YMMV

How do you remove the front axle support without removing the front axle?
 

at the time i did it, i was unaware of the widespread opinion that the front end had to be removed. the person who was advising me told me to support the back ends of the radius rods with jack stands and to support the trans with cribbing. he said nothing about removing the front end, so i didn't remove it.

the problem is, had i known what i was doing was supposedly impossible, i'd have paid more attention. but as it was, i had no idea what i was doing was considered undoable, so i didn't make a point of remembering every detail.

i removed all of the bolts which are oriented vertically. at this point, i discovered the oil pan still wouldn't drop, so i started searching for the reason. by laying under it all, i found (by feel, iirc i couldn't actually see them) two more bolts which are oriented horizontally, which i guess go into the axle support. at that point, i pulled those 2, and the pan was free. if there were any other important details, i have since forgotten them.

btw - have a floor jack under the oil pan, no matter which method u use. that sucker is heavy.
 

i looked back at my old posts on this, and i see that i said i thought i had to use an extension on something. that would tend to rule out the horizontal thing, i'm guessing?
 
It's the front pan bolts and crank seal that may give you trouble.
Any ideas on what caused the pan to crack?

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ahhhh, ty lawson. a picture is worth a thousand words :)

wsmm, forget that horizontal thing :oops:

the two problem bolts are the ones in royse's pic that straddle the crank. found them by feel, got a socket at the end of an extension on them by feel. one thing i can say - and i wonder if this is why people say it can't be done...

neither my friend/supervisor or i have particularly large hands or arms. i can easily see how that could be a dealbreaker. as it was, a certain amount of squirming and swearing was necessary :)
 

doh. should have said "the two problem bolts are the ones that go in the holes that straddle the crank"

i didn't mean the mains :lol:
 
I've had repaired oil pans in the past.
This one had an ear broken off where it bolts to the bolster.
It had been brazed back on and broken a second time which required
that washer to catch the hole. It's still a running, working engine.
I did not do the repairs, it came to me this way.
What stories they could tell!

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Its doable but a pain to get the pan and support lined back up. The loader comes off with out much problem if you have away to lift the rear of the loader once you roll the tractor back to clear the rear axles on the tractor. You have to lift the rear of the loader to clear the front axle :wink:

The front support more than likely needs repairing are replaced anyways I would have a good front support on hand are know were I can get my hands on one. You are gonna need a pan so while looking look for a GOOD front support...

I have posted pix of my loader off in 2007 YT had you re-resister I fudged that up and lost all my post from 2000 to 2007....

The loader will come off if I were doing it...
 

[i:ff4b2ab0a2]"Its doable but a pain to get the pan and support lined back up."[/i:ff4b2ab0a2]

interesting. i don't remember any problems with reassembly. beginner's luck, maybe :)
 

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