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Ultradog MN

Ultradog MN

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This is not to anyone in particular but to
these boards in general.
I really do get tired of all the safety
police here.
There is something about old tractors that
brings them out.
I remodel for them on occasion. They'll
criticize you for not using safety glasses
while using a circular saw or pneumatic
nailer and then you go look at their
electrical panel and find it a real rat's
nest or their gas line in the laundry room
has 50 lbs of clothes hanging on hangers and
one flimsy pipe strap holding it all up.
I have been welding and brazing for nearly
fifty years and am pretty sure the glasses I
had on were sufficient.
No, I wouldn't arc weld that way because the
arc flash Would damage your eyes. But gas
welding is different in that the light from
it won't damage your eyes. It's the pops and
spark that will potentially cause eye
damage.
I sometimes wonder if some people wake up in
the morning and wonder what they'll worry
about today.
It is one thing to answer a question where
someone asks a safety question. It is
entirely another to admonish another guy
because he does things differently than you.
I say to those who seemed to think it is
their business to tell me I should have
goggles and gloves to do that simple braze
job that if they wear all that stuff when
THEY braze that should be the end of it.
There is no call to project their fears and
harp on another man.
Leave it alone and go about your own
business as you see fit.
And I will do the same.
 
Ultra dog, amen brother, I agree 100%

And like Hank Jr sang in the last verse of his song, ?If mind your own business you?ll be busy all the time?
 
I really don't care what you do or don't do, But I like to think I am a bit smarter than I was 50 years ago when I learned to braze.
 
There is a frequently seen comparison to your story with a certain political party... anything they DON'T like should be illegal... but what 'they' do is OK at any level.

If you don't like asparagus, don't buy/eat it... but leave the rest of us alone!


Good Post, Jerry.
 

Knew a guy around here that had one chronically drippy eye, at least two missing fingers on each hand and one prosthetic leg. I always wondered if all that happened at one time, or over the course of many years? Didn't know him well enough to ask though.
 
That's right brother. I dont tempt fate. neither am I afraid to do my job for fear of getting hurt.. we grew up in the era of no bicycle helmets. It's called common sense. Today they have ingrained this safety BS in place of common sense.
 
Ultradog, I'm sorry if I upset you. I wasn't asking about your goggles for safety reasons. It has been years since I've welded anything, but as I remember, I couldn't see what I was doing without them. Evidently I wasn't the first to mention something like that, but was the straw that......
 
(quoted from post at 09:39:06 06/22/18) Watch it! you'll shoot your eye out.
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Funny you should mention eyes. I once mentioned something about people using a chainsaw without eye protection. I value my eyesight and always use goggles when using my chainsaw.

Evidently there are a lot of people who don't see eye protection as needed when using a chainsaw. If that is their belief, so be it. I just hope they don't wind up sometime wishing they had used protection.
 
CaryC
I remember that post and how you insisted
everyone Must wear safety glasses while
using a chainsaw. Your reply here mostly
seems like one more attempt to carry that
point.
Believe me, I am not an advocate of
carelessness.
My point as the originator of this thread is
it is no one's business how I braze or use a
chainsaw, whether my neutral safety switch
works, are my extension cords are all 3
prong grounded type or if I use a cheap jack
or heavy wood blocking to hold up a tractor
during a split.
No one's!
It is to the safety police who it seems can
NOT allow what they see as a violation to
go unnoticed that I just want to say lay
off, bite your tongue, myob - say do things
your way. I'll do things my way.

Jim L, No harm, no foul.
I made what I thought would be an
interesting post.
It was the multiple safety comments that got
my goat.
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(quoted from post at 13:16:42 06/22/18) CaryC
I remember that post and how you insisted
everyone Must wear safety glasses while
using a chainsaw. Your reply here mostly
seems like one more attempt to carry that
point.
Believe me, I am not an advocate of
carelessness.
My point as the originator of this thread is
it is no one's business how I braze or use a
chainsaw, whether my neutral safety switch
works, are my extension cords are all 3
prong grounded type or if I use a cheap jack
or heavy wood blocking to hold up a tractor
during a split.
No one's!
It is to the safety police who it seems can
NOT allow what they see as a violation to
go unnoticed that I just want to say lay
off, bite your tongue, myob - say do things
your way. I'll do things my way.

Jim L, No harm, no foul.
I made what I thought would be an
interesting post.
It was the multiple safety comments that got
my goat.
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I absolutely did no such thing. I never insisted that everyone must wear safety glasses. I gave my point of view just as I did above saying that (I) think it is advisable to wear eye protection while operating a chain saw. Who the hell am I to insist that you guys do anything? You can do whatever you want in your world whether it's safe or not. It's totally up to you.
 

Here is that post you are referring too.

[color=red:a460908ba7][b:a460908ba7]I think more to the point would be a discussion on why you should not use or don't need to use stabilizer bars since it looks like almost everybody uses them.

I don't see any reason to not use them myself. It's kind of like people that don't wear safety glasses or goggles when using a chain saw. I don't see any reason to not wear them. Is there an actual reason to not wear safety glasses when using a chain saw or is it the fact that some people are just too lazy? I think if those people only had one eye they would definitely see a reason to wear them.

I didn't mean to deviate from the stabilizer question but the safety glasses thing just emphasizes my point on the sway bars. So, let's just stick to the sway bars subject.[/b:a460908ba7][/color:a460908ba7]

Where exactly did I insist that everyone wear safety glasses?
 
I seem to remember that thread differently
but that was then, this is now and I'm not
here to belabor an old post on a different
topic. Okay?
 

It isn’t just “ safety” it’s more along the lines of “how dare you do things differently than me and my kin”..

I dared to submit pictures of changing out an air filter from the crappy ancient oil bath to s more modern aero and it was heresy... like I had spoken against the Gods of ancient tractors or something. I’m pretty sure that my old 2N could t care less how it’s Air was filtered, as long as it was filtered, but I quickly learned that people here love to hear themselves talk in an echo chamber... they aren’t here to help others they are simply here to hear themselves talk over and over again...
 
(quoted from post at 14:32:22 06/22/18)
It isn’t just “ safety” it’s more along the lines of “how dare you do things differently than me and my kin”..

I dared to submit pictures of changing out an air filter from the crappy ancient oil bath to s more modern aero and it was heresy... like I had spoken against the Gods of ancient tractors or something. I’m pretty sure that my old 2N could t care less how it’s Air was filtered, as long as it was filtered, but I quickly learned that people here love to hear themselves talk in an echo chamber... they aren’t here to help others they are simply here to hear themselves talk over and over again...
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Evidently you heard "well if the oil bath cleaner has been working for 60 some years..." Well, I still use mine but I certainly wouldn't tell you that you need to use it as long as you use something that works. It's your tractor and you can do anything you want to it.

For me, I'm old and retired so I don't mind doing the little maintenance chores on my 8N. Sure, the oil bath cleaner takes longer to service but I got nothing but time. I might also add that doing these things where I live I have no snow or real bad weather to hinder what I do.
 
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Ultradog,

I hope you removed the key from the above tractor. I'd hate to see some dumb kid starting it up and getting hurt. :mrgreen:

Sorry, I couldn't resist it. :wink:
 
I don't mind the purists but I'm not one of
them.
I guess I'm something of an iconoclast
But I don't have that much interest in Ns
anymore - don't even own one so all that
purism matters less to me.
But I do still enjoy reading this board.
I drove this tractor for the first time
yesterday. It's been a year in the building.
It's made out of parts from 4 different
models. It is totally and completely wrong.
Ford never built a tractor like this.
I had to make some steering parts and
scrounge some others.
I made it to do what I wanted it to do and
that is all that matters. It's even the
wrong color.
Still have more work to do on it. Bunch of
tweaking mostly.
Looking to put the brush mower behind it
then go run the snot out of it.
You are right that these old tractors don't
care what you put on them as long as they
get clean air and oil.
It sounds like you and I don't either.
There are others like us here too fyi.
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Naw,
That tractor is long gone but there was no
key in it. I am very safety minded actually.
Have 3 Fords and all of them I have to start
with a linch pin on the solenoid. Not many
kids now days - grownups either maybe -
would know how to do that.
Don't tell the safety police tho.
 
(quoted from post at 16:29:14 06/22/18) Naw,
That tractor is long gone but there was no
key in it. I am very safety minded actually.
Have 3 Fords and all of them I have to start
with a linch pin on the solenoid. Not many
kids now days - grownups either maybe -
would know how to do that.
Don't tell the safety police tho.
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You say that yellow tractor is even the wrong color. How can that be? It's your tractor and the right color is what you like. I'll bet that not too many "N's" are orange either but mine is. My MF202 is yellow so they look nice and colorful sitting next to each other.
 
(quoted from post at 19:15:56 06/22/18)
(quoted from post at 19:03:23 06/22/18) My 8N is orange!
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Ah, but is that orange rust or paint?
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CaryC, something just occurred to me about your chainsaw and goggles statement, that makes it hard to believe you. I have never seen anyone using goggles while using a chain saw. Exactly what brand and model are they?
 
(quoted from post at 09:00:26 06/22/18) This is not to anyone in particular but to
these boards in general.
I really do get tired of all the safety
police here.
There is something about old tractors that
brings them out.
I remodel for them on occasion. They'll
criticize you for not using safety glasses
while using a circular saw or pneumatic
nailer and then you go look at their
electrical panel and find it a real rat's
nest or their gas line in the laundry room
has 50 lbs of clothes hanging on hangers and
one flimsy pipe strap holding it all up.
I have been welding and brazing for nearly
fifty years and am pretty sure the glasses I
had on were sufficient.
No, I wouldn't arc weld that way because the
arc flash Would damage your eyes. But gas
welding is different in that the light from
it won't damage your eyes. It's the pops and
spark that will potentially cause eye
damage.
I sometimes wonder if some people wake up in
the morning and wonder what they'll worry
about today.
It is one thing to answer a question where
someone asks a safety question. It is
entirely another to admonish another guy
because he does things differently than you.
I say to those who seemed to think it is
their business to tell me I should have
goggles and gloves to do that simple braze
job that if they wear all that stuff when
THEY braze that should be the end of it.
There is no call to project their fears and
harp on another man.
Leave it alone and go about your own
business as you see fit.
And I will do the same.
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The below quote nails it, the worst is when they are driven to public office so they can get to their "work" on a larger scale.

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

? C.S. Lewis
 
I didn't see it but was told to be true, there was a man in a nudist camp running a chain saw with tennis shoes and eye protection. What about a nudist fry ing bacon?
 
(quoted from post at 05:47:23 06/23/18)
(quoted from post at 19:15:56 06/22/18)
(quoted from post at 19:03:23 06/22/18) My 8N is orange!
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Ah, but is that orange rust or paint?
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CaryC, something just occurred to me about your chainsaw and goggles statement, that makes it hard to believe you. I have never seen anyone using goggles while using a chain saw. Exactly what brand and model are they?
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First of all, how nice of you to try to catch me in some kind of lie. Second of all, see the pics below.

The first pic is of the goggle type that I used before my cataract surgery because they fit over my eye glasses. The brand is Bouton model number 550.

The second pic is of two pairs of safety glasses that I use now.

Have a nice day

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(quoted from post at 05:47:23 06/23/18)
(quoted from post at 19:15:56 06/22/18)
(quoted from post at 19:03:23 06/22/18) My 8N is orange!
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Ah, but is that orange rust or paint?
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CaryC, something just occurred to me about your chainsaw and goggles statement, that makes it hard to believe you. I have never seen anyone using goggles while using a chain saw. Exactly what brand and model are they?
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On second thought, I couldn't care less whether you have a nice day or a bad one.
 
Great quote.
Yes, the nanny state is creeping up on us.
Bike helmets, seat belts, all kinds of
safety devices on a simple lawnmower.
Soon they will mandate ROPS on all old
tractors, ever increasing gun control.
Screaming backup alarms on every truck and
piece of equipment. All workers must wear
day glow vests...
The EPA wants to outlaw oil based paints for
all but licensed buyers. No more spraying an
old tractor in your garage or back yard?
Make it unlawful to give a kid a ride on a
tractor - safety, safety, safety.
I just had to put AFCI circuit breakers in 4
new circuits in an addition to our house and
all new outlets had to be childproof type.
The house is about 1600 sq ft now and I have
6 smoke detectors and 2 CO detectors - all
hardwired w/battery back up, all
interconnected to pass inspection.
The list goes on...
I think it's okay if you like all those
safety things but please leave me alone.
 
(quoted from post at 15:54:11 06/23/18) Great quote.
Yes, the nanny state is creeping up on us.
Bike helmets, seat belts, all kinds of
safety devices on a simple lawnmower.
Soon they will mandate ROPS on all old
tractors, ever increasing gun control.
Screaming backup alarms on every truck and
piece of equipment. All workers must wear
day glow vests...
The EPA wants to outlaw oil based paints for
all but licensed buyers. No more spraying an
old tractor in your garage or back yard?
Make it unlawful to give a kid a ride on a
tractor - safety, safety, safety.
I just had to put AFCI circuit breakers in 4
new circuits in an addition to our house and
all new outlets had to be childproof type.
The house is about 1600 sq ft now and I have
6 smoke detectors and 2 CO detectors - all
hardwired w/battery back up, all
interconnected to pass inspection.
The list goes on...
I think it's okay if you like all those
safety things but please leave me alone.
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In the last 30-40 years those sorts of regulations have saved [u:61f9e79276][b:61f9e79276]millions[/b:61f9e79276][/u:61f9e79276] of lives. Automotive seat belts alone have saved an estimated 250,000 lives since 1972. And that's just fatalities - the reductions in major injury and incapacitation numbers are even higher. The economic savings are staggering. If this is what the nanny state accomplishes I welcome it.

TOH
 
(quoted from post at 08:54:04 06/23/18) I didn't see it but was told to be true, there was a man in a nudist camp running a chain saw with tennis shoes and eye protection. What about a nudist fry ing bacon?
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I've heard that you should occasionally fry bacon in the nude as it teaches you to not crank the heat up too high.
 
Twenty years ago I was coming down the steep hill into town in my '51 Step van with both doors slid wide open, and got stopped in a seat belt check.

the cop comes up to my door and says, "got your seat belt on?"
"Nope", says I. The cop snaps back, "You trying' to get smart with me!" "No" I calmly said.

Then he pauses for a second and asks, "What year is this?"
I said, "It's a '51 and I don't have to have belts do I?"
He replies in defeat, "No, but you should get some." :D
 
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