Fighting the Three Point Hitch.

L.Fure

Well-known Member
This afternoon I put my dirt scoop on the 8N to scoop up a pile of gravel that was swept out of the yard. I got the scoop on without any trouble, but decided to put the anti-sway bars on after the first load. I spent a hour trying to get them on. I tried everything I could think of to get both of them attached. I just couldn't get it to go on. Anyone else have this problem?
 
(quoted from post at 01:04:16 04/27/18) Just raise the implement up 6 inches at a
time until you find the magic spot to hook
up the arms to the implement.
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The bracket that mounts to the axel housing has several holes in it. Which holes should the pins be mounted in for a 8N?
 
My previous comment assumed the pin was in
the correct hole. If you have it in any
other hole other than dead center of the
axle, you won't be able to hook up an
implement or you will bend the sway bar.
It's a geometry thing.......
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(quoted from post at 02:07:15 04/27/18) My previous comment assumed the pin was in
the correct hole. If you have it in any
other hole other than dead center of the
axle, you won't be able to hook up an
implement or you will bend the sway bar.
It's a geometry thing.......
75 Tips

For some reason I have the pins in the farthest forward hole. I don't remember why I had put them there. I'll move them tomorrow and see how things go. Thanks for the help.
 
(quoted from post at 18:16:16 04/26/18)
(quoted from post at 02:07:15 04/27/18) My previous comment assumed the pin was in
the correct hole. If you have it in any
other hole other than dead center of the
axle, you won't be able to hook up an
implement or you will bend the sway bar.
It's a geometry thing.......
75 Tips

For some reason I have the pins in the farthest forward hole. I don't remember why I had put them there. I'll move them tomorrow and see how things go. Thanks for the help.

Are you using two solid sway bars? It's a whole lot easier to use one solid and one adjustable bar. Hook up the solid bar first, then adjust the adjustable one to where it is easy to get on the pins.
 
I usually lift the implement enough to swing it left or right , so sway bar hole will line up. If it wont , its in wrong hole under axle or bracket is on backwards. Some swaybars don't have holes exactly the same I noticed.
 
For some reason I have the pins in the farthest forward hole.

Photo shows incorrect pin location on aftermarket sway control mounts as compared to OEM.

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A Bruce pointed out, the pins should be in line with the lift arm pivot pin mounted in the lower part of the trumpet.
 
Which goes on the implement pin first, the sway bar then the lift arm, or is it the other way around?
 
I never have that problem as I almost never
use sway bars. I don't like them on most
implements - would rather have some flex
back there.
I think Dollar Bill has your answer though.
The extra holes in those aftermarket sway
brackets are for different models. Move the
pins to the right holes for your tractor and
they will work.
 
(quoted from post at 03:36:57 04/27/18) Which goes on the implement pin first, the sway bar then the lift arm, or is it the other way around?

Lift arms on first. Then sway bar. Hook up the left side first, then the right side, then the top link.
 
(quoted from post at 12:41:15 04/27/18)
(quoted from post at 03:36:57 04/27/18) Which goes on the implement pin first, the sway bar then the lift arm, or is it the other way around?

Lift arms on first. Then sway bar. Hook up the left side first, then the right side, then the top link.

That's another thing I was doing wrong. The last time I used a three point hitch was in my high school days working for a dairy farmer. The Case eagle hitch is what I grew up using though, so I have to relearn how to use a three point hitch.
 
I never have that problem as I almost never use sway bars. I don't like them on most implements - would rather have some flex back there.

UD makes a very valid point. A good rule of thumb is to not use sway bars on any ground engaging implement such as a scoop.
 
(quoted from post at 08:15:36 04/27/18)
I never have that problem as I almost never use sway bars. I don't like them on most implements - would rather have some flex back there.

UD makes a very valid point. A good rule of thumb is to not use sway bars on any ground engaging implement such as a scoop.

I agree w/ one major exception: a cultivator. If you can cultivate corn w/o sway bars on an N, you are a better farmer than I am. :D
 
This thread has me totally confused.

First UD says he almost never uses sway bars .

Then H. Cooke says he agrees with UD but but then says he uses a scoop with sway bars.

Then Bill says sway bars shouldn't be used with ground engaging implements -- something I've never heard in four years here. (?)

This could be where I am stuck . . .
Are we talking "sway bars" as distinct from "Stabilizer Bars"?

Thanks,
Terry
 
I have heard that stabiler bars should not be used with any ground engaging implement. that said I use them on my back blade but not my box scraper. I would not use them with a turning plow, it needss to walk around a bit.
stabilizer bars are called by some sway bars, not to be confused with stay bars which are different critter.
 
(quoted from post at 15:07:52 04/27/18) If you have a Dearborn scoop, I don't think you can use sway bars.

My scoop is similar to a King-Kutter dirt scoop. Only instead of using angle iron for the upper frame it uses pipe. It's a pretty solid implement and works better than I thought it would. I've moved quite a bit of material with it since I bought it.
 
(quoted from post at 10:34:16 04/27/18) I have heard that stabiler bars should not be used with any ground engaging implement. that said I use them on my back blade but not my box scraper. I would not use them with a turning plow, it needss to walk around a bit.
stabilizer bars are called by some sway bars, not to be confused with stay bars which are different critter.

I always use them on my box blade. But if I'm going to make a sharp turn or a "U" turn, I'll pick the blade up first.
 
(quoted from post at 11:44:43 04/27/18)
(quoted from post at 10:34:16 04/27/18) I have heard that stabiler bars should not be used with any ground engaging implement. that said I use them on my back blade but not my box scraper. I would not use them with a turning plow, it needss to walk around a bit.
stabilizer bars are called by some sway bars, not to be confused with stay bars which are different critter.

I always use them on my box blade. But if I'm going to make a sharp turn or a "U" turn, I'll pick the blade up first.
I think a lot would depend on the soil/ground you are digging up. soft dirt without rocks, the bars would probably work, but with rocks I like the box to be able to move around a bit.
 
(quoted from post at 10:34:16 04/27/18) I have heard that stabiler bars should not be used with any ground engaging implement. that said I use them on my back blade but not my box scraper. I would not use them with a turning plow, it needss to walk around a bit.
stabilizer bars are called by some sway bars, not to be confused with stay bars which are different critter.

Actually I did hear on the forum some time ago to not use my stabilizer bars with my plow but had forgotten that. I'll have to felt-pen it onto the plow. :)
 
The pins in the brackets under the axle MUST line up exactly straight line with the lift arm pins in the
diffy. Too high, too low, forward or rearward, you will be binding the linkages. You can only use one
bar if you have that condition. Hooking up to it will move the implement off straight line to the
tractor. It will cause the blade or scoop to move sideways as you lift or drop the emplement.
The other thing that I do is put an ever so slight bend on each end of the the sway bar. It gives the
bar a slight "S" curve look, very slight. Makes it easier to align and get the pins in.
 
Man, I have cultivated hundreds of acres of corn with a 2-n. Starting around 12 years of age. Never have I seen them used to
cultivate corn. You must drive a lot straighter than I was able to do!
 
probably the scoup, i have a auger that will not take both stabilizer bars, only one, every other implement, and i have many, hooks up both easy, why the auger, i dont know, maybe its pin is just a bit off
 
(quoted from post at 18:04:41 04/27/18) probably the scoup, i have a auger that will not take both stabilizer bars, only one, every other implement, and i have many, hooks up both easy, why the auger, i dont know, maybe its pin is just a bit off

I'm getting of saying it so here's a picture.

Adjustable Stabilizer Bar
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Eric,

Something to think about. (?)

My bars were made out of lower link arms so they have balls at the fender ends. They connect to the sides of the lower link arms not to the pins and there are two holes but I've always just used the end holes except once when I couldn't get my cutter hooked up right -- a problem I remedied by putting the rotary cutter's pins on the inside of the A-frame which distanced it more from the tractor.

I've never used ordinary bars but I sure like these. Sometimes I don't even have to drop them to connect and often I just have to disconnect one. The odd time I've picked up the implement so it would center itself then connected the stubborn bar. Sometimes there's barely enough room but I can stomp the lynch pin down through anyway.
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15616.jpg
 
P.S.
Eric,

Only my left side bar has the two hole option
and it sounds like whoever designed these bars of mine had your identical problem with some implement. As I said, I only had to use this second hole once.
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(quoted from post at 20:02:26 04/27/18)
That's a pretty good set up that someone dreamed up then made up. :wink:

No kidding!
A creative soul put his ingenuity to work.

There are not one but two heavy eyelets that the end slips in between!

How can you tell that I love them.

Stabilizing my load
by limiting the Sway :D
 
(quoted from post at 21:34:26 04/27/18)
(quoted from post at 20:02:26 04/27/18)
That's a pretty good set up that someone dreamed up then made up. :wink:

No kidding!
A creative soul put his ingenuity to work.

There are not one but two heavy eyelets that the end slips in between!

How can you tell that I love them.

Stabilizing my load
by limiting the Sway :D

Maybe the same fellow that dreamed up this sliding top link.

SlidingTopLink.jpg

F-SlidingLinkandChains2.jpg
 
"Maybe the same fellow that dreamed up this sliding top link."

Very nice low tech/hi-tech!
Good home-made pieces are a treasure.

I think it was Rube Goldberg's cousin
but luckily for us they had a falling out! :D
 
Cary,
Maybe he meant <HUH!!!!!?????>
Maybe <HUH?>

That reminds me of a time in a restaurant
when a guy told the waiter there was a needle in his soup!
the waiter said, "Sorry, it's a typographical error; it's supposed to be a noodle!"
_______________________________
Well Sarge
Somedays you get the joke
Somedays the joke gets you.

Ya see, Rube Goldberg
who's a real metaphor once you get to know him
was in inventor partnership with his cousin
but they had a Henry/Harry falling out

Out on his own Rube's inspired cousin
Went on to dream visions of N Sway bars
and sliding top links to the stars
Everything worked and well
We the lucky are here to tell.

Unlike Mr. Goldberg himself,
who's every invention
is perpetually
on its way back to the drawing board
Or should be . . .

and so the fable grows to this day.

Only the names have been changed to protect the innocent.

Signed,
The Giraffe Whisperer

P.S,
HTH
 

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