Non Sherman auxilary trans

TomT · Mar 8, 2018

I recently purchased a parts tractor w/o engine or radiator ... to my surprise, when I started to unload it from my trailer, I noticed an extra transmission in front of the stock 9N 3-speed.

the shifter is on the right side instead of he left, and is made of cast iron...but straight, and not like the dog-leg style of the Sherman combo.

I`ve had the Howard before, but it was way different from the Sherman, and what I have...I`m not at all familiar with the Hupp trans and wonder if that is what I have...

It looks like I have to remove the shaft that holds the throw-out bearing to get the aux. trans out...but, I can`t figure out how to remove the shaft...or should I say the fork on the shaft.

Any help would be much appreciated...

TomT

Greg NE · Mar 8, 2018

Sounds like a Hupp to me, I have a TO 30 that has one. Does the handle have a ball cast on the end or is kinda
flat only, almost like an angle iron on the 'handle' end? I believe the ball end is used on the high, low,and
direct trans only. Sorry but I'm no help on any removal tricks. Greg NE

TomT · Mar 8, 2018

the handle is straight flat cast iron...about 9 or 10 inches long with a small flat round knob at the rear... and it looks like there was something broke off the end where it goes into the tranny case...it functions fine.

thanks for the reply!!!

TomT

L.B, · Mar 9, 2018

This it

Dollar Bill · Mar 9, 2018

It looks like I have to remove the shaft that holds the throw-out bearing to get the aux. trans out...but, I can`t figure out how to remove the shaft...or should I say the fork on the shaft.

If you are referring to shaft/fork in photo, then all you have to do is disconnect the clevis assembly and rotate the clutch fork forward. This will allow you to slide the throw out bearing off of input shaft housing.

Kirk-NJ · Mar 9, 2018

Sound like a step up handle. A photo would help.

Kirk-NJ · Mar 9, 2018

I just removed a Sherman combo a couple of weeks ago.
Go on YouTube and punch in Ford tractor Sherman combo
transmission removal. Or punch in Kirk-NJ and some of my videos
will come up. Might be helpful

Dollar Bill · Mar 9, 2018

Kirk, I thought all of the Sherman's were configured with the shifter on the left?

TomT · Mar 9, 2018

Thanks, L.B,...that looks real similar to mine...except, mine doesn`t have that mounting boss for a bolt in the rt. side.

TomT · Mar 9, 2018

(quoted from post at 09:33:46 03/09/18)

It looks like I have to remove the shaft that holds the throw-out bearing to get the aux. trans out...but, I can`t figure out how to remove the shaft...or should I say the fork on the shaft.

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If you are referring to shaft/fork in photo, then all you have to do is disconnect the clevis assembly and rotate the clutch fork forward. This will allow you to slide the throw out bearing off of input shaft housing.

Dollar Bill,

Thanks for the photo...I have the throw out brg off; but the trans is too large to go over the shaft and fork...I`ll have to remove the front snout or bearing retainer to get the fork to rotate enough to get to the pin to drive it out...your pic helped in that I could`nt tell if the pin was tapered or not

TomT · Mar 9, 2018

(quoted from post at 09:51:30 03/09/18) Sound like a step up handle. A photo would help.

Kirk, Thanks ...I wish I knew how to post pics...but I`m old, and I`m doing good to post on this forum...I just did figure out how to use the "quote" option when posting a reply...that helps a lot..

it appears that there are only 2 blots at the bottom of the trans that actually hold it in place...I`m guessing the input shaft keeps it centered in the flywheel, and carries the front weight.

I`ve never removed a Sherman, but I have what I believe is step up trans in one of my other 9ns...I`ll check out your video...

Thanks, TomT

Kirk-NJ · Mar 9, 2018

Check my other Sherman videos about shifting and determining
step up from step down

Kirk-NJ · Mar 9, 2018

Yes Sherman shifter on left although I have seen some Sherman
reversers extended to the right side.
I'm moving the Sherman handle on a step up to the other side in
my 8n cause the shifter on my left would hit the trans plate and
bracket for the one arm loader.

nonfarmer · Mar 9, 2018

I have a hupp and the shifter is on the right

TomT · Mar 9, 2018

(quoted from post at 18:02:50 03/09/18) Check my other Sherman videos about shifting and determining
step up from step down

I`m not sure how to do that...

That really sounds stupid when I say it, but it`s true...

I guess google u tube, and then search Kirk NJ???

thanks, TomT

Kirk-NJ · Mar 9, 2018

Yes just Go to YouTube.com punch in my name and the videos will
come up or when on youtube punch in Sherman transmission and one
or more of my videos will come up

TomT · Mar 9, 2018

(quoted from post at 22:38:49 03/09/18) Yes just Go to YouTube.com punch in my name and the videos will
come up or when on youtube punch in Sherman transmission and one
or more of my videos will come up

thanks, Kirk...I`ll give it a try

DMartin9N-2N · Mar 10, 2018

Hi, Tom: I have a 9N which had a bad crack on bottom of differential case. I found an independent shop where they were able to swap out basically the entire back half of the tractor with a good used assembly. It included a Sherman overdrive, which is still in use today. They gave me back all my old parts, which includes an auxiliary overdrive trans that is not a Sherman. It shifted on the right side as I sat on the tractor, as best as I can find out it is a Hupp and is now laying in the barn. If I can be any help to you in your project, let me know.

Dennis M. in W. Tenn.

Royse · Mar 10, 2018

(quoted from post at 11:47:30 03/09/18)

(quoted from post at 09:51:30 03/09/18) Sound like a step up handle. A photo would help.

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Kirk, Thanks ...I wish I knew how to post pics...but I`m old, and I`m doing good to post on this forum...I just did figure out how to use the "quote" option when posting a reply...that helps a lot..

it appears that there are only 2 blots at the bottom of the trans that actually hold it in place...I`m guessing the input shaft keeps it centered in the flywheel, and carries the front weight.

I`ve never removed a Sherman, but I have what I believe is step up trans in one of my other 9ns...I`ll check out your video...

Thanks, TomT

I recently removed a Hupp from an 8N transmission. The bolts that held
the Hupp to regular transmission were internal and were Allen heads.

If you can email the pictures to me, I can post them for you.
There should be an email button at the bottom of this writing.
(not everyone has that button, but this post should have it)

TomT · Mar 11, 2018

(quoted from post at 00:29:52 03/11/18) Hi, Tom: I have a 9N which had a bad crack on bottom of differential case. I found an independent shop where they were able to swap out basically the entire back half of the tractor with a good used assembly. It included a Sherman overdrive, which is still in use today. They gave me back all my old parts, which includes an auxiliary overdrive trans that is not a Sherman. It shifted on the right side as I sat on the tractor, as best as I can find out it is a Hupp and is now laying in the barn. If I can be any help to you in your project, let me know.

Dennis M. in W. Tenn.

Thanks, Dennis, I too have the complete rear end with the trans still attached...I have a `45, and `47 2n, and really didn`t need this extra parts tractor...I had the Idea that I would just part this one out; but it seems to be getting more difficult to take it all apart, so I think I`ll just leave it all together.

Thanks for your input,

TomT

TomT · Mar 11, 2018

Royce,

thanks for your input...I should have guessed there were bolts in from the other transmission side.

It will still be easier for me to remove the transmission than having one of my granddaughters in in Oklahoma talk me through "how to take a picture" with my phone...then mailing my phone to you so you can remove the pictures.

All these electronic gadgets make me dizzy, and about to tip over...They don't make sense...

I still don't know the difference between upload and download...

I just noticed on this screen, "close tags" is highlighted in blue...I don't know what tags are, and If I did, I wouldn`t know how to open or close them.

I also see HTML is OFF, and BBCode is on...That doesn't mean anything to me...I don`t know what that means.

I can still tear down an old 327 SBC, and put it back together blindfolded...and I`m sure someone reading this is wondering what an SBC is...

enough ranting, I really appreciate your offer of help, and I`ll try to send you an email.

TomT

Royse · Mar 11, 2018

"I should have guessed there were bolts in from the other transmission side."

Mine weren't in from the back side, they were inside the Hupp.
I had to pull the input shaft out (four hex head bolts) and then use
a 5/16 (I think) Allen head socket on a long extension to get to them.

TomT · Mar 11, 2018

(quoted from post at 00:39:48 03/12/18) "I should have guessed there were bolts in from the other transmission side."

Mine weren't in from the back side, they were inside the Hupp.
I had to pull the input shaft out (four hex head bolts) and then use
a 5/16 (I think) Allen head socket on a long extension to get to them.

That makes a little more sense...

I hope by input shaft, you meant the retainer over the shaft that the throw out bearing fits over.

Thanks again, TomT

Royse · Mar 11, 2018

(quoted from post at 21:00:17 03/11/18)

(quoted from post at 00:39:48 03/12/18) "I should have guessed there were bolts in from the other transmission side."

Mine weren't in from the back side, they were inside the Hupp.
I had to pull the input shaft out (four hex head bolts) and then use
a 5/16 (I think) Allen head socket on a long extension to get to them.

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That makes a little more sense...

I hope by input shaft, you meant the retainer over the shaft that the throw out bearing fits over.

Thanks again, TomT

Yes. Circled here in this picture. Unfortunately, I didn't take pictures of the internal bolts.
Disregard the handle in the picture, it is from a Sherman step-up that someone had modified it to fit mine.

TomT · Mar 11, 2018

Royce, that's what I thought...If I decide to pull the Hupp out, I was going to have to remove the "snout" anyway to get the fork rivet out to get the shaft out to get the trans out; since it`s too big to go over the cross shaft.

The next problem I have is if I pull the Hupp out, I`ll have to locate a longer output shaft/housing to make up the difference in length to keep the 9n/2n trans usable.

Thanks again, I really appreciate your help!

TomT

Royse · Mar 11, 2018

You're quite welcome!
The fork on my 8N had a pin in it. I was able to rotate the shaft
far enough to drive it out without removing anything other than
the throw out bearing/springs and unhooking the external linkage.
Not that it mattered, since my snout had to come off anyway.

You are correct on the input shaft as well. The Hupp and/or
Sherman replaced the original Ford transmission input shaft.
Locating an original input shaft shouldn't be too hard.

HFJ · Mar 12, 2018

(quoted from post at 12:09:26 03/11/18 )

I still don't know the difference between upload and download...

this one's easy. downloading = receiving, uploading = sending. aside from email, the average person rarely uploads.

HFJ · Mar 12, 2018

:lol: but, that being said, when u view a thread here, u have downloaded it - and when u post to it, u have uploaded your post

TomT · Mar 12, 2018

(quoted from post at 18:50:17 03/12/18)
:lol: but, that being said, when u view a thread here, u have downloaded it - and when u post to it, u have uploaded your post

That makes sense...no one ever explained it to me and I never asked. Thanks!

HFJ · Mar 12, 2018

(quoted from post at 17:31:47 03/12/18 )

(quoted from post at 18:50:17 03/12/18 )
:lol: but, that being said, when u view a thread here, u have downloaded it - and when u post to it, u have uploaded your post

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That makes sense...no one ever explained it to me and I never asked. Thanks!

you're welcome

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