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Non Sherman auxilary trans

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TomT

03-08-2018 17:39:21




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I recently purchased a parts tractor w/o engine or radiator ... to my surprise, when I started to unload it from my trailer, I noticed an extra transmission in front of the stock 9N 3-speed.

the shifter is on the right side instead of he left, and is made of cast iron...but straight, and not like the dog-leg style of the Sherman combo.

I`ve had the Howard before, but it was way different from the Sherman, and what I have...I`m not at all familiar with the Hupp trans and wonder if that is what I have...

It looks like I have to remove the shaft that holds the throw-out bearing to get the aux. trans out...but, I can`t figure out how to remove the shaft...or should I say the fork on the shaft.

Any help would be much appreciated...

TomT

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HFJ

03-12-2018 20:26:13




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 Re: Non Sherman auxilary trans in reply to TomT, 03-08-2018 17:39:21  
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you're welcome :)

stick with us, we'll have u running a server farm in no time ;)



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TomT

03-12-2018 14:31:47




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 Re: Non Sherman auxilary trans in reply to TomT, 03-08-2018 17:39:21  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see That makes sense...no one ever explained it to me and I never asked. Thanks!



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HFJ

03-12-2018 10:50:17




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 Re: Non Sherman auxilary trans in reply to TomT, 03-08-2018 17:39:21  
:lol: but, that being said, when u view a thread here, u have downloaded it - and when u post to it, u have uploaded your post ;)



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HFJ

03-12-2018 10:49:05




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this one's easy. downloading = receiving, uploading = sending. aside from email, the average person rarely uploads.



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Royse

03-11-2018 19:18:56




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 Re: Non Sherman auxilary trans in reply to TomT, 03-08-2018 17:39:21  
You're quite welcome!

The fork on my 8N had a pin in it. I was able to rotate the shaft

far enough to drive it out without removing anything other than

the throw out bearing/springs and unhooking the external linkage.

Not that it mattered, since my snout had to come off anyway.

You are correct on the input shaft as well. The Hupp and/or

Sherman replaced the original Ford transmission input shaft.

Locating an original input shaft shouldn't be too hard.

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TomT

03-11-2018 18:36:58




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 Re: Non Sherman auxilary trans in reply to TomT, 03-08-2018 17:39:21  
Royce, that's what I thought...If I decide to pull the Hupp out, I was going to have to remove the "snout" anyway to get the fork rivet out to get the shaft out to get the trans out; since it`s too big to go over the cross shaft.

The next problem I have is if I pull the Hupp out, I`ll have to locate a longer output shaft/housing to make up the difference in length to keep the 9n/2n trans usable.

Thanks again, I really appreciate your help!

TomT

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Royse

03-11-2018 18:22:25




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 Re: Non Sherman auxilary trans in reply to TomT, 03-08-2018 17:39:21  
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Yes. Circled here in this picture. Unfortunately, I didn't take pictures of the internal bolts.
Disregard the handle in the picture, it is from a Sherman step-up that someone had modified it to fit mine.



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TomT

03-11-2018 18:00:17




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That makes a little more sense...

I hope by input shaft, you meant the retainer over the shaft that the throw out bearing fits over.

Thanks again, TomT



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Royse

03-11-2018 16:39:48




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 Re: Non Sherman auxilary trans in reply to TomT, 03-08-2018 17:39:21  
"I should have guessed there were bolts in from the other transmission side."

Mine weren't in from the back side, they were inside the Hupp.

I had to pull the input shaft out (four hex head bolts) and then use
a 5/16 (I think) Allen head socket on a long extension to get to them.



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TomT

03-11-2018 09:09:26




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 Re: Non Sherman auxilary trans in reply to TomT, 03-08-2018 17:39:21  
Royce,
thanks for your input...I should have guessed there were bolts in from the other transmission side.
It will still be easier for me to remove the transmission than having one of my granddaughters in in Oklahoma talk me through "how to take a picture" with my phone...then mailing my phone to you so you can remove the pictures.
All these electronic gadgets make me dizzy, and about to tip over...They don't make sense...

I still don't know the difference between upload and download...

I just noticed on this screen, "close tags" is highlighted in blue...I don't know what tags are, and If I did, I wouldn`t know how to open or close them.

I also see HTML is OFF, and BBCode is on...That doesn't mean anything to me...I don`t know what that means.

I can still tear down an old 327 SBC, and put it back together blindfolded...and I`m sure someone reading this is wondering what an SBC is...

enough ranting, I really appreciate your offer of help, and I`ll try to send you an email.

TomT

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TomT

03-11-2018 08:26:38




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 Re: Non Sherman auxilary trans in reply to TomT, 03-08-2018 17:39:21  
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Thanks, Dennis, I too have the complete rear end with the trans still attached...I have a `45, and `47 2n, and really didn`t need this extra parts tractor...I had the Idea that I would just part this one out; but it seems to be getting more difficult to take it all apart, so I think I`ll just leave it all together.
Thanks for your input,

TomT

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Royse

03-10-2018 16:12:23




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 Re: Non Sherman auxilary trans in reply to TomT, 03-08-2018 17:39:21  
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I recently removed a Hupp from an 8N transmission. The bolts that held
the Hupp to regular transmission were internal and were Allen heads.

If you can email the pictures to me, I can post them for you.

There should be an email button at the bottom of this writing.

(not everyone has that button, but this post should have it)

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DMartin9N-2N

03-10-2018 15:29:52




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 Re: Non Sherman auxilary trans in reply to TomT, 03-08-2018 17:39:21  
Hi, Tom: I have a 9N which had a bad crack on bottom of differential case. I found an independent shop where they were able to swap out basically the entire back half of the tractor with a good used assembly. It included a Sherman overdrive, which is still in use today. They gave me back all my old parts, which includes an auxiliary overdrive trans that is not a Sherman. It shifted on the right side as I sat on the tractor, as best as I can find out it is a Hupp and is now laying in the barn. If I can be any help to you in your project, let me know.

Dennis M. in W. Tenn.

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TomT

03-09-2018 16:36:38




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thanks, Kirk...I`ll give it a try



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TomT

03-09-2018 11:46:12




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I`m not sure how to do that...

That really sounds stupid when I say it, but it`s true...

I guess google u tube, and then search Kirk NJ???

thanks, TomT



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Kirk-NJ

03-09-2018 13:38:49




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 Re: Non Sherman auxilary trans in reply to TomT, 03-09-2018 11:46:12  
Yes just Go to YouTube.com punch in my name and the videos will come up or when on youtube punch in Sherman transmission and one or more of my videos will come up



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nonfarmer

03-09-2018 11:00:36




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 Re: Non Sherman auxilary trans in reply to TomT, 03-08-2018 17:39:21  


I have a hupp and the shifter is on the right



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TomT

03-09-2018 07:47:30




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Kirk, Thanks ...I wish I knew how to post pics...but I`m old, and I`m doing good to post on this forum...I just did figure out how to use the "quote" option when posting a reply...that helps a lot..

it appears that there are only 2 blots at the bottom of the trans that actually hold it in place...I`m guessing the input shaft keeps it centered in the flywheel, and carries the front weight.

I`ve never removed a Sherman, but I have what I believe is step up trans in one of my other 9ns...I`ll check out your video...

Thanks, TomT

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Kirk-NJ

03-09-2018 09:02:50




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 Re: Non Sherman auxilary trans in reply to TomT, 03-09-2018 07:47:30  
Check my other Sherman videos about shifting and determining step up from step down



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TomT

03-09-2018 07:31:28




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Dollar Bill,

Thanks for the photo...I have the throw out brg off; but the trans is too large to go over the shaft and fork...I`ll have to remove the front snout or bearing retainer to get the fork to rotate enough to get to the pin to drive it out...your pic helped in that I could`nt tell if the pin was tapered or not



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TomT

03-09-2018 07:22:48




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 Re: Non Sherman auxilary trans in reply to TomT, 03-08-2018 17:39:21  
Thanks, L.B,...that looks real similar to mine...except, mine doesn`t have that mounting boss for a bolt in the rt. side.



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Dollar Bill

03-09-2018 05:57:02




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 Re: Non Sherman auxilary trans in reply to TomT, 03-08-2018 17:39:21  
Kirk, I thought all of the Sherman's were configured with the shifter on the left?



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Kirk-NJ

03-09-2018 09:08:42




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 Re: Non Sherman auxilary trans in reply to Dollar Bill, 03-09-2018 05:57:02  
Yes Sherman shifter on left although I have seen some Sherman reversers extended to the right side.
I'm moving the Sherman handle on a step up to the other side in my 8n cause the shifter on my left would hit the trans plate and bracket for the one arm loader.



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Kirk-NJ

03-09-2018 05:33:10




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 Re: Non Sherman auxilary trans in reply to TomT, 03-08-2018 17:39:21  
I just removed a Sherman combo a couple of weeks ago.
Go on YouTube and punch in Ford tractor Sherman combo transmission removal. Or punch in Kirk-NJ and some of my videos will come up. Might be helpful



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Dollar Bill

03-09-2018 00:33:46




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If you are referring to shaft/fork in photo, then all you have to do is disconnect the clevis assembly and rotate the clutch fork forward. This will allow you to slide the throw out bearing off of input shaft housing.



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L.B,

03-08-2018 22:27:28




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 Re: Non Sherman auxilary trans in reply to TomT, 03-08-2018 17:39:21  

This it



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TomT

03-08-2018 21:02:33




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 Re: Non Sherman auxilary trans in reply to TomT, 03-08-2018 17:39:21  
the handle is straight flat cast iron...about 9 or 10 inches long with a small flat round knob at the rear... and it looks like there was something broke off the end where it goes into the tranny case...it functions fine.

thanks for the reply!!!

TomT



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Kirk-NJ

03-09-2018 00:51:30




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 Re: Non Sherman auxilary trans in reply to TomT, 03-08-2018 21:02:33  
Sound like a step up handle. A photo would help.



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Greg NE

03-08-2018 18:13:39




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 Re: Non Sherman auxilary trans in reply to TomT, 03-08-2018 17:39:21  
Sounds like a Hupp to me, I have a TO 30 that has one. Does the handle have a ball cast on the end or is kinda flat only, almost like an angle iron on the 'handle' end? I believe the ball end is used on the high, low,and direct trans only. Sorry but I'm no help on any removal tricks. Greg NE



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