Ford 800 starter issues

I have a ford 800 tractor. The solenoid makes a clicking noise but the starter does nothing at all. I tried using my car to jump the battery to make sure it was not the battery. Anyone have any steps to isolate if its the starter or solenoid?

Thanks,
Mitchell
 
The solenoid is making a noise because of low voltage. That is likely caused
by:

1. A weak battery (charge it & check it per tip # 49. Or get it load
tested.)

2. Dirty grounds/connections (remove the cables & clean the connections)

3. Bad cables or incorrect sized cables (replace them - see tip # 41)

4. Bad ground between the starter & the block. (pull the starter away from the block & clean the mating area - see tip # 36)
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What Bruce said. Your question is a weekly one here at YT. Very often cable terminals that look perfectly clean are the culprits. Carbon coating is gray. The terminals need to be shiny.
 

I used the tractor all day yesterday, and it cranked fine on four different occasions. The last time the starter partially turned and made a wierd noise. Then all it would do is click at the solenoid. The solenoid was smoking a little bit as well.
 
Bruce probably suggested this,but did you bypass the solenoid and touch the lug on the starter to see if it engages the starter?If it doesn't you probably need a starter.Make sure it's in neutral!
 
(quoted from post at 08:01:40 03/04/18) Bruce probably suggested this,but did you bypass the solenoid and touch the lug on the starter to see if it engages the starter?If it doesn't you probably need a starter.Make sure it's in neutral!

Mike how do you do that?
 
(quoted from post at 08:09:08 03/04/18)
(quoted from post at 08:01:40 03/04/18) Bruce probably suggested this,but did you bypass the solenoid and touch the lug on the starter to see if it engages the starter?If it doesn't you probably need a starter.Make sure it's in neutral!

Mike how do you do that?

How to do that??

According to one of your posts, you've already done that: " I put the positive of a set of car jumper cables on the starter post and the metal frame and nothing happened. "
 
The solenoid was smoking a little bit as well.

Smoke is a byproduct of heat.

Heat is generated by a poor connection - Either inside the solenoid or where it is grounded.

To satisfy your mind the starter is functioning properly, remove it from the tractor, install nuts to hold starter together and spin it up with jumper cables.
 
The vast majority (and I emphasize vast) are not large enough to carry complete starter current, simply marginal enough to supply a 'booster' amount of current to a weak battery. So, most tests as described here are meaningless. Those cables are a LOT of insulation and LITTLE copper! Suitable only to get your money & filling landfills.
 
(quoted from post at 08:07:00 03/05/18) " Those cables are a LOT of insulation and LITTLE copper!'

Amen!
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Hey im going to take the starter off and test it at auto zone. That should help me isolate the starter. I will definately change the wiring harness out also. Any thoughts on this?
 
(quoted from post at 08:16:32 03/05/18)
(quoted from post at 08:07:00 03/05/18) " Those cables are a LOT of insulation and LITTLE copper!'

Amen!
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Hey im going to take the starter off and test it at auto zone. That should help me isolate the starter. I will definately change the wiring harness out also. Any thoughts on this?

Yup, still the same thought

What Bruce said. Your question is a weekly one here at YT. Very often cable terminals that look perfectly clean are the culprits. Carbon coating is gray. The terminals need to be shiny.
 
Bruce, are you speaking the correct language? You are right on, of course, no one want to listen.
I hear you but I'm not listening. If they can't do the simple things to correct an obvious issue, then there is no helping.
Thank you for all your directions. Give it a little 'KISS'. ;>)
 
(quoted from post at 14:13:25 03/05/18) Bruce, are you speaking the correct language? You are right on, of course, no one want to listen.
I hear you but I'm not listening. If they can't do the simple things to correct an obvious issue, then there is no helping.
Thank you for all your directions. Give it a little 'KISS'. ;>)

The issue was the starter shaft did not disengage, and it broke the starter gear. What causes this? Should I remove the oil pan to get the broken pieces out?
 
What caused it was a 6v starter running off of 12 volts, a weak battery causing partial engagement of the Bendix, (have you checked the battery yet?) a defective Bendix or a defective ring gear.

Chances are 9 out 10 the pieces will have a happy home in the bell housing. But, if a piece does get jammed between the flywheel and the bell housing, it's a 99% certainty that it will be the bell housing that pays the price.
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"Should I remove the oil pan to get the broken pieces out?"

They won't be in the oil pan, they'll be in the bell housing.
You could leave them, try to fish them out or split the tractor to get them.
 

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