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New to Forum Ford 2n issue

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canfin

02-08-2018 15:53:02




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Hello
Brand new to the forum. I bought a Ford 2n about a month ago to use for plowing snow. I have used it about 5 times and then decided to service the tractor, change fluids etc.
When changing the engine oil it was grey, not good!!!

The radiator is new in the tractor and I am not using any water. The water/ anti- freeze is not contaminated with oil. Temperatures have been down as cold as -20C, could this be condensation in the engine? Tractor was also out in a heavy rain and snow storm before I made room in the garage.
Do you think I have an issue with the head of block? Head gasket is apparently new on it.
Any insight would be helpful. Thank you
Darin

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Bruce (VA)

02-09-2018 07:01:44




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 Re: New to Forum Ford 2n issue in reply to canfin, 02-08-2018 15:53:02  
As others are telling you, remove the filter canister and clean it out, retorque the head, and install a t-stat. The purpose of the t-stat is to quickly get the engine to itís optimum operating temp and keep it there. Do use a thermostat. If you don't the engine heats unevenly, which means it wears unevenly. A cool-running engine does not heat the oil sufficiently and you will get sludge build-up in the pan as a result. Further, water will remain in the oil because the oil never gets hot enough to evaporate the water; that creates acids in the oil leading to bearing corrosion. N tractors came from the factory in 1939 with a 160-degree thermostat. Ford added t-stats to cars in 1933. If you want to use a 180* t-stat (which I use on all 4 of my 8N's) try A&I part # A-11C15, Gates 33108, Beck/Arnley part # 143-0024, Auto Zone part # 3518 or NAPA part number THM 184 for 180* in hose t-stats.

The car parts store folks are helpless w/o vehicle make/model/year info. Some can/will actually search on the number & cross reference, but more often than not, you will just get a dumb look. HINT: find a clerk near the age of your tractor..... ;) Try telling them that the t-stat is for your 1977 Renault R12 1.6L L4.

All of my 180* t-stats are A&I A-11C15's or AZ-3518's. They are a very tight fit in an N hose, but they will fit. I've never used the Gates, Beck/Arnley or NAPA t-stats so I can't help you w/ anything there but the part numbers.

All that being said.....if you do not consistently run the tractor to operating temp, you will get condensation & sludge as a result even w/ a t-stat installed.

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canfin

02-15-2018 06:18:35




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 Re: New to Forum Ford 2n issue in reply to Bruce (VA), 02-09-2018 07:01:44  
Thanks for all the insight. Thermostat is installed, head re-torqued as so far so good.



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showcrop

02-09-2018 05:44:16




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 Re: New to Forum Ford 2n issue in reply to canfin, 02-08-2018 15:53:02  
Canfin, Your question is a VERY common one here. The oil has most likely just absorbed moisture from start-ups with too little running time. The most severe service for an automobile is a short commute to work, two cold start-ups per day with not a long enough drive to get the engine hot. The previous owner of your 2N may have made it a practice to start it up and run it for a few minutes once a week but rarely working it. Just like a car that has just started leaves a cloud of steam behind it for the first 2-3 miles, your 2N is producing water vapor and some is going into the oil. Just find a way to bring it up to operating temp and keep it there for fifteen minutes on a regular basis.

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pinball

02-09-2018 05:11:34




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 Re: New to Forum Ford 2n issue in reply to canfin, 02-08-2018 15:53:02  
if it were mine I would change the oil and filter. make sure I got the filter base good an cleaned , put new oil in it and run it. if its not making any noise. blowing out smoke, carries good oil pressure then I would think your okay.



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Dollar Bill

02-09-2018 01:43:44




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 Re: New to Forum Ford 2n issue in reply to canfin, 02-08-2018 15:53:02  
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As a precautionary measure, it might be a good idea to re-torque the head bolts.



I agree with the others to change oil and keep it monitored.



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canfin

02-08-2018 16:55:07




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 Re: New to Forum Ford 2n issue in reply to canfin, 02-08-2018 15:53:02  
Thanks for the help. No there is no white smoke. It runs pretty good. Just gave it a full tune up, changed plugs, wires, rotor etc. Will get the thermostat in it and monitor it. Cheers



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HCooke

02-08-2018 16:42:56




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 Re: New to Forum Ford 2n issue in reply to canfin, 02-08-2018 15:53:02  
" could this be condensation in the engine?"


Very well could be. I would just monitor the oil. If it continues may need to check head gasket. A compression test would be useful. Any white smoke in the exhaust?



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Den N Ms

02-08-2018 16:03:44




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 Re: New to Forum Ford 2n issue in reply to canfin, 02-08-2018 15:53:02  
Canfin ,You say,Head gasket is apparently new on it. Previous owner could have changed a head gasket and not changed the oil.I would change oil and flush out the pan and oil filter can with some diesel fuel,add new oil and filter and keep a check on it for more water in the oil.



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canfin

02-08-2018 16:26:17




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 Re: New to Forum Ford 2n issue in reply to Den N Ms, 02-08-2018 16:03:44  
Thanks for the help, I am in the process of doing this. I also found out the tractor does not have a thermostat........not good again when its -20C. Anyway keeping my fingers crossed......

Ordered a thermostat for it.

Cheers



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