LCG Ns?

showcrop · Oct 29, 2017

I was looking at the over cover of my current N-NEWS, and noted that the Ns on the top level of the truck have their fronts lowered and set back. After studying it for awhile I noticed also that the rears are turned around so that the tread is reversed and the wheels are set way out. I can see that the reason is to accommodate the tractors onto the truck so that the steering wheels are not too high, and to fit the wide tracks of the truck, but it must have been quite a trick to get the fronts lowered the way that they are and still have the drivable. I can't imagine that they winched them up.

tractorguy2 · Oct 29, 2017

I'm going have to look at my issue closer. I thought that was a
neat photo.

Tim PloughNman Daley RIP · Oct 30, 2017

I don't believe that is the case, an optical illusion. The slope is most likely the way the ramp is set. Note bottom lip of doglegs. They come to just above the centerline of the front wheel hubs. We can't tell if the front axle has been set out as well, but I'd bet they are, and the Rears being set out as pictured is most likely so when the tractors were delivered to dealers, they could be unloaded promptly and displayed to show how tread width was adjustable. Ford di d not go thru extra hoops to accommodate any shipping issues. All that was incorporated into the design when Henry Ford insisted the new 9N be engineered so 14 units could be shipped in a single train boxcar -and so they did. I fail to see how tread width affects steering wheel height location. What I did find interesting in that photo and I've asked Rob Rinaldi if there is more to the story, is if you close at the first tractor loaded on the bottom, it has Industrial 'Turf-style' rear tires and wheels on it. It is very possible it is indeed an Industrial 9NBN Model.

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Paul in MN · Oct 30, 2017

As I looked at that picture, I wondered about that truck and trailer. Vintage? maybe about 1940? Engine and transmission? maybe flathead 6, but likely just the common 4 speed. GVW? 7 N's @ ~2800# = ~20,000# + truck and trailer (maybe 13 to 15,000)= ~35,000. The part of Wisconsin it was being operated in is hilly country, and the speed limits for trucks in Wisc at that time was 45 mph. So HOW ABOUT BRAKES? Probably only juice brakes with no power booster. How did they provide brakes on the trailer?

I wouldn't want to be the driver!

When I was growing up North of Milwaukee (mid 1950's), our neighbor drove truck up into that area weekly and had some harrowing experiences with loss of brakes in his nearly new White 3000 with power booster juice brakes. He often said that he wished for his older ~1950 Ford cabover because it (engine and brakes) was more reliable.

Knowing something about that part of NE Wisconsin at that time, there were mostly very narrow 2 lane roads, no shoulders, and low RR bridges. And plenty of snow and ice in the winter, no road salt, but some occasional sand. Some of the trucks carried their own sand spreaders just forward of the rear duals, but I don't see such in this picture.

The guys eventually driving the tractors probably had safer lives than the truck drivers who delivered them.

Your comments??

Paul in MN

showcrop · Oct 30, 2017

(quoted from post at 05:33:44 10/30/17) I don't believe that is the case, an optical illusion. The slope is most likely the way the ramp is set. Note bottom lip of doglegs. They come to just above the centerline of the front wheel hubs. We can't tell if the front axle has been set out as well, but I'd bet they are, and the Rears being set out as pictured is most likely so when the tractors were delivered to dealers, they could be unloaded promptly and displayed to show how tread width was adjustable. Ford di d not go thru extra hoops to accommodate any shipping issues. All that was incorporated into the design when Henry Ford insisted the new 9N be engineered so 14 units could be shipped in a single train boxcar -and so they did. I fail to see how tread width affects steering wheel height location. What I did find interesting in that photo and I've asked Rob Rinaldi if there is more to the story, is if you close at the first tractor loaded on the bottom, it has Industrial 'Turf-style' rear tires and wheels on it. It is very possible it is indeed an Industrial 9NBN Model.

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Tim, In my OP I was referring to the front being lowered as a means of lowering the steering wheel and the rears set out as a way of getting it wide enough for the truck ramps. If you look more closely at the front bottom tractor you can see the regular tread and diam. tractor rear in behind that truck spare.

Tim PloughNman Daley RIP · Nov 5, 2017

There is/was no such thing as an LCG N-Series tractor, plus, the steering wheel cannot be lowered. How would they do that? Like I said, no extra steps were taken to ship tractors. Rears were set out so when the tractors were unloaded at dealers, they were ready to display the adjustable wheel spacings, has nothing to do with the truck ramps. If that were so, then why are the bottom tractors set with standard wheel spacings? There are many vintage photos of N tractors on haulaways, and they do not have 'spaced-out' rears. One thing I do need to correct from my previous post is the bottom front N I said was an Industrial 9NBN Model with the special 'turf-tire' rears and wheels. Not so, my bad. Looking now with my glasses on I can see it is just the same as the others with standard wheel spacing. That wheel is the spare tire for the truck and trailer.

Tim Daley(MI)

showcrop · Nov 5, 2017

(quoted from post at 03:37:29 11/05/17) There is/was no such thing as an LCG N-Series tractor, plus, the steering wheel cannot be lowered. How would they do that? Like I said, no extra steps were taken to ship tractors. Rears were set out so when the tractors were unloaded at dealers, they were ready to display the adjustable wheel spacings, has nothing to do with the truck ramps. If that were so, then why are the bottom tractors set with standard wheel spacings? There are many vintage photos of N tractors on haulaways, and they do not have 'spaced-out' rears. One thing I do need to correct from my previous post is the bottom front N I said was an Industrial 9NBN Model with the special 'turf-tire' rears and wheels. Not so, my bad. Looking now with my glasses on I can see it is just the same as the others with standard wheel spacing. That wheel is the spare tire for the truck and trailer.

Tim Daley(MI)

You may want to read my last post more slowly.

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