jboy54

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new battery, new starter solenoid ,bench tested starter and it worked great.
installed it and there is no action at all .have volts everywhere there are wires .
when i check volts before i try to start it is 6.3 , when i push the starter button volts drop to 0.

cant even get the headlights to work, plus the amp gauge doesnt move.

need help as electricity is not my strong suite
 

It is possible the battery is bad. You state the volts drop to zero with the starter energized. What volts do you read with only the headlights on - if the volts drop to zero it suggests the battery is bad.

The 6.3 volts you are reading is with no load on the battery, (open circuit). A good battery will maintain voltage (there will be some drop) when the starter load is applied.
 
(quoted from post at 06:25:35 10/04/17) new battery, new starter solenoid ,bench tested starter and it worked great.
installed it and there is no action at all .have volts everywhere there are wires .
when i check volts before i try to start it is 6.3 , when i push the starter button volts drop to 0.

cant even get the headlights to work, plus the amp gauge doesnt move.

need help as electricity is not my strong suite
lIKE bRUCE SAYS, CHECK ALL CONNECTIONS, Especially where the ground strap bolts to the frame.
 
Suspect bad/shorted wiring and/or a bad battery. First thing is to get a copy of JMOR's Wiring Pictograms -can download for FREE at the other Ford N-Series Tractor web site as Bruce said. Next, disconnect the lights altogether, we'll eliminate them out of the equation from the start. We can assume it is a 6-volt system by your post, but is it connected as a positive ground set up? Front mount or side mount distributor? Is the generator the 3-wire/3-brush or 3-wire/2-brush style? Disconnect the battery and have your starter shop check it under load. Trace ALL the wiring using the schematic in the Operator's Manual or the I&T F-04 Manual. Don't go by wire color codes, don't assume, they probably don't match originals anyway. Leave battery disconnected while you trace wiring, lights disconnected. Step by step root cause determining method is best in any problem solving situation. How as the tractor running before you started replacing all those parts? Go slow, but get the wiring pictogram and your essential manuals first. Report back...

Tim Daley(MI)
 
you may not be checking correctly.

put your meter across the battery. it reads? 6.3.

turn on lamps.. what happens?
 
(quoted from post at 14:49:56 10/04/17)
It is possible the battery is bad. You state the volts drop to zero with the starter energized. What volts do you read with only the headlights on - if the volts drop to zero it suggests the battery is bad.

The 6.3 volts you are reading is with no load on the battery, (open circuit). A good battery will maintain voltage (there will be some drop) when the starter load is applied.


the volts across the battery read exactly the same with lights on or off with key on or off . on 2 different meters

i will look deeper over the weekend when i have more time.
thanks
 
sounds like classic grounding problem, check the battery ground, that must be tight and on bare metal,
 

update ;
tonight i cleaned the positive cable end and the post , even tho its a new battery,
and i finally got the engine to turn over and almost started ,
several times, but as soon as i let off the starter button it dies.
plus i did the spark on the voltage reg like ive done dozens of times and no spark, and the lights still dont come on and the ampmeter
doesnt move when im turning the engine over.
a lot closer than i was but not quite there .

thanks
 
" plus i did the spark on the voltage reg like ive done dozens of times and no spark"

That just polarizes the generator; it won't help it start.

" as soon as i let off the starter button it dies." That is a classic symptom of low voltage. Your starter is taking all the voltage leaving none for the spark plugs.

That is likely caused by:

1. A weak battery (charge it & check it per tip # 49. Or get it load
tested.)*

2. Dirty grounds/connections (remove the cables & clean the connections)

3. Bad cables or incorrect sized cables (replace them - see tip # 41)**

4. Bad ground between the starter & the block. (pull the starter away from the block & clean the mating area - see tip # 36)

5. Defective starter (but that's last on the list of possibilities)


* No matter what else you do, the battery must be fully charged. A float charger is helpful; not a trickle charger, but a float charger.
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(quoted from post at 01:35:26 10/06/17) " plus i did the spark on the voltage reg like ive done dozens of times and no spark"

That just polarizes the generator; it won't help it start.

" as soon as i let off the starter button it dies." That is a classic symptom of low voltage. Your starter is taking all the voltage leaving none for the spark plugs.

That is likely caused by:

1. A weak battery (charge it & check it per tip # 49. Or get it load
tested.)*

2. Dirty grounds/connections (remove the cables & clean the connections)

3. Bad cables or incorrect sized cables (replace them - see tip # 41)**

4. Bad ground between the starter & the block. (pull the starter away from the block & clean the mating area - see tip # 36)

5. Defective starter (but that's last on the list of possibilities)


* No matter what else you do, the battery must be fully charged. A float charger is helpful; not a trickle charger, but a float charger.
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thank you , i will do everythig you suggest
 
(quoted from post at 01:35:26 10/06/17) " plus i did the spark on the voltage reg like ive done dozens of times and no spark"

That just polarizes the generator; it won't help it start.

" as soon as i let off the starter button it dies." That is a classic symptom of low voltage. Your starter is taking all the voltage leaving none for the spark plugs.

That is likely caused by:

1. A weak battery (charge it & check it per tip # 49. Or get it load
tested.)*

2. Dirty grounds/connections (remove the cables & clean the connections)

3. Bad cables or incorrect sized cables (replace them - see tip # 41)**

4. Bad ground between the starter & the block. (pull the starter away from the block & clean the mating area - see tip # 36)

5. Defective starter (but that's last on the list of possibilities)


ok iv done all 4 things and it still will not run when i let off the starter button.
the load test on the battery was better than the rate on the battery sticker ,625 , at Advance 675.
cables were cleaned and the positive ground at the frame was sanded to shiny metal.

starter where it meets the block was clean but i sanded it a little anyway.

the starter turns the engine fine just dies as soon as i let off the starter button.

it seems like it has to be electric related but i cant see where.
i took out #4 plug and had a good spark.

thanks

* No matter what else you do, the battery must be fully charged. A float charger is helpful; not a trickle charger, but a float charger.
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[b:0e41be42d4]" as soon as i let off the starter button it dies." That is a classic symptom of low voltage.[/b:0e41be42d4]

bruce, did u misread that? i thought the classic symptom was letting off the starter button and it firing, not dieing.
 
(quoted from post at 02:06:01 10/10/17) [b:c77fbc6269]" as soon as i let off the starter button it dies." That is a classic symptom of low voltage.[/b:c77fbc6269]

bruce, did u misread that? i thought the classic symptom was letting off the starter button and it firing, not dieing.


i am just trying to understand how i buy a new battery and every wire is exactly like it was before it stopped last month when the old battery didnt have enough life in it to keep the tractor running and now it dies as soon as i let off the starter button.
if all the wires are the same why wont it continue to run ?
the key switch keeps power going to the tractor when its turned to on , iv checked it both ways on and off .
it "hits" with the key on but dies as soon as the button is released and wont "hit" at all with the key off.
i have also checked it with a meter so i know it is good,
thanks
 
" it "hits" with the key on but dies as soon as the button is released and wont "hit" at all with the key off."

Your tractor is mis-wired.

The key should only provide power to the coil.

The button should only provide power to the starter.

You have them wired together.

Google "wiring diagrams JMOR" and find the correct diagram for your tractor.
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(quoted from post at 14:25:14 10/13/17) " it "hits" with the key on but dies as soon as the button is released and wont "hit" at all with the key off."

Your tractor is mis-wired.

The key should only provide power to the coil.

The button should only provide power to the starter.

You have them wired together.

Google "wiring diagrams JMOR" and find the correct diagram for your tractor.
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well its running !!!!!!!
i had the ampmeter wire on the post on the starter and not on
the post that the minus battery cable goes.
may have a little miss but at least it moves now .
Thank you Bruce and everyone else for the help.
i just knew that the way i hooked up the wires on the solenoid was right and i could not see my mistake.

now if it will run long enough to mow the 5 acres for winter i will be set .

thanks again,
jboy54
 
(quoted from post at 16:34:42 10/13/17)
(quoted from post at 14:25:14 10/13/17) " it "hits" with the key on but dies as soon as the button is released and wont "hit" at all with the key off."

Your tractor is mis-wired.

The key should only provide power to the coil.

The button should only provide power to the starter.

You have them wired together.

Google "wiring diagrams JMOR" and find the correct diagram for your tractor.
75 Tips



well its running !!!!!!!
i had the ampmeter wire on the post on the starter and not on
the post that the minus battery cable goes.
may have a little miss but at least it moves now .
Thank you Bruce and everyone else for the help.
i just knew that the way i hooked up the wires on the solenoid was right and i could not see my mistake.

now if it will run long enough to mow the 5 acres for winter i will be set .

thanks again,
jboy54

You're welcome. Glad to help.
 

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