2 n loader probs.

Garryllk

Member

Hi again

Cant win Now the front pto shaft striped on the 2 n loader

Anyway This is the 3ed one so after looking it over very carefully I saw the pump mount was mounted with only 1 bolt on each side of the loader frame.Last year I found out that the right side of the loader by the front end was not even bolted to the tractor.So of course the frame is sprung and the right hydro cylinder goes up 2 inches before the left one does.I can redo the pump mount so it's bolted to the tractor but I saw on you tube where a loader frame on a ford n tractor only went past the breather and angle iron came up crossed over the bell housing to the other side frame and it was not bolted to anything on the motor just crossed over and down to the other side frame.I was thinking if I cut the frame off to that point it would get rid of the sprung part of the frame.

Does anyone know if it's safe to do this The bell housing looks flat so the angle iron would lay nicely against it.The hydro cyl are mounted about a ft behind where I would cut the frame and a good brace runs under the tractor to the other frame So its is solid there.Has anyone ever done this or seen it on a 2n before

Thank you

Garry
 

I tried to get one from the you tub vid but wouldn't work Will try again or try getting a pic of where I want to put it Right now The pto shaft is unhooked and half to order one from y tractors on Monday.The lean to I have it in makes it hard to do a pic Only the bucket and front wheels are outside
 
(quoted from post at 21:59:03 09/29/17)
I tried to get one from the you tub vid but wouldn't work Will try again or try getting a pic of where I want to put it Right now The pto shaft is unhooked and half to order one from y tractors on Monday.The lean to I have it in makes it hard to do a pic Only the bucket and front wheels are outside

Let's get one thing straight. Your PTO shaft is on the rear of your tractor. It is the splined shaft that drives implements requiring power to run them like mowers.

What you have on the front of your tractor is a pump that works the hydraulic cylinders on your loader.
 
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(quoted from post at 21:59:03 09/29/17)
I tried to get one from the you tub vid but wouldn't work Will try again or try getting a pic of where I want to put it Right now The pto shaft is unhooked and half to order one from y tractors on Monday.The lean to I have it in makes it hard to do a pic Only the bucket and front wheels are outside

Let's get one thing straight. Your PTO shaft is on the rear of your tractor. It is the splined shaft that drives implements requiring power to run them like mowers.

What you have on the front of your tractor is a pump that works the hydraulic cylinders on your loader.

The tractor's loader hydraulic pump is driven by what is commonly called a front power take-off shaft (PTO). Mid-mount mowers on modern tractors are commonly driven by a middle power take-off shaft from the transmission or engine. So to be "clear" in the machinery world PTO is a generically used term applicable to any power take-off shaft regardless of function, position, or power source. :idea:

TOH
 
https://youtu.be/sv6jQgw5x0w

I hope this works In the vid you can see clearly how the loader is conected to the tractor
 
(quoted from post at 04:23:33 09/30/17)
(quoted from post at 01:26:46 09/30/17)
(quoted from post at 21:59:03 09/29/17)
I tried to get one from the you tub vid but wouldn't work Will try again or try getting a pic of where I want to put it Right now The pto shaft is unhooked and half to order one from y tractors on Monday.The lean to I have it in makes it hard to do a pic Only the bucket and front wheels are outside

Let's get one thing straight. Your PTO shaft is on the rear of your tractor. It is the splined shaft that drives implements requiring power to run them like mowers.

What you have on the front of your tractor is a pump that works the hydraulic cylinders on your loader.

The tractor's loader hydraulic pump is driven by what is commonly called a front power take-off shaft (PTO). Mid-mount mowers on modern tractors are commonly driven by a middle power take-off shaft from the transmission or engine. So to be "clear" in the machinery world PTO is a generically used term applicable to any power take-off shaft regardless of function, position, or power source. :idea:

TOH

I've been on this forum for ten years. In all that time, I've never heard anyone refer to the front mounted pump being powered by a PTO. In all that ten years, any time anyone mentioned PTO, it was referring to the rear PTO shaft. That's the truth and the way it's always been.
 
(quoted from post at 13:22:54 09/30/17)
(quoted from post at 04:23:33 09/30/17)
(quoted from post at 01:26:46 09/30/17)
(quoted from post at 21:59:03 09/29/17)
I tried to get one from the you tub vid but wouldn't work Will try again or try getting a pic of where I want to put it Right now The pto shaft is unhooked and half to order one from y tractors on Monday.The lean to I have it in makes it hard to do a pic Only the bucket and front wheels are outside

Let's get one thing straight. Your PTO shaft is on the rear of your tractor. It is the splined shaft that drives implements requiring power to run them like mowers.

What you have on the front of your tractor is a pump that works the hydraulic cylinders on your loader.

The tractor's loader hydraulic pump is driven by what is commonly called a front power take-off shaft (PTO). Mid-mount mowers on modern tractors are commonly driven by a middle power take-off shaft from the transmission or engine. So to be "clear" in the machinery world PTO is a generically used term applicable to any power take-off shaft regardless of function, position, or power source. :idea:

TOH

I've been on this forum for ten years. In all that time, I've never heard anyone refer to the front mounted pump being powered by a PTO. In all that ten years, any time anyone mentioned PTO, it was referring to the rear PTO shaft. That's the truth and the way it's always been.

Just because you have never heard that description in 10 years here does not make it wrong. It's common terminology used extensively by other manufacturer's and I knew instantly what he meant. Here is a picture of the optional front PTO on an older Kubota B Series tractor. It is nothing more than a splined shaft/hub bolted to the front crankshaft pulley. The Ford loader setup is the same thing except it uses a female splined PTO hub.

My newer Kubota lawn tractor has the male mid-PTO mounted below the engine and driven off a double sheave front pulley by a second belt. This allows for a simple belt clutch mechanism to be used rather than the electric setup used on the older B series (second picture).

So today you can say you learned something new which is usually a good thing.....

TOH

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Yeah, it's real common. As I said I haven't heard it here in the ten years I've been here. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
 
(quoted from post at 15:52:50 09/30/17)
Yeah, it's real common. As I said I haven't heard it here in the ten years I've been here. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
s I just said on another forum, "just when we think we have seen it all, along comes something else". That was with regards to 12 volt plate voltage on vacuum tubes in a radio. Practicing EE since 1965 to retirement & had not seen or heard of them. Not mentioned in my EE texts on vacuum tubes, either, they do exist as I just now learned my something new for today.
 

Hi

Seems to me that pto stands for power take off,Weather it takes power from the back,front,sides top or bottom it's still transferring power from one source to another.On mine it has a spline shaft that goes into the tractor and a keyed end going into a flexible connector to the pump Its a little over 9 inches long.

At 64 I only have this to use for snow or a big wheel barrow. I Only have a 1/4 acre of land in the country, So it's used not to often.But if you need to lift hundreds of pds Its perfect.

I plow the neighbors driveways in the winter ect

At 64 I Like to get a 2ed opion before I try something I am not sure will work.

Anyway On that vid You can see how his loader only goes past the air breather and then over the bell housing to support the end of the loader,and That what I would like to do to mine. That's the main reason I am here to see if it would be ok to do this. I could cut off about 4 ft of the bottom loader frame from the front of the tractor back to that point,Hoping it will get rid of the sprong part so the bucket goes up even? it was a tube loader and I spent over 2000 dollars to replace the hydraulics and arms + the valve's with steel arms Later when I get the front pump fixed I will take a pic and post it.

Thank
Garry
 
(quoted from post at 15:09:19 09/30/17)
Hi

Seems to me that pto stands for power take off,Weather it takes power from the back,front,sides top or bottom it's still transferring power from one source to another.On mine it has a spline shaft that goes into the tractor and a keyed end going into a flexible connector to the pump Its a little over 9 inches long.

At 64 I only have this to use for snow or a big wheel barrow. I Only have a 1/4 acre of land in the country, So it's used not to often.But if you need to lift hundreds of pds Its perfect.

I plow the neighbors driveways in the winter ect

At 64 I Like to get a 2ed opion before I try something I am not sure will work.

Anyway On that vid You can see how his loader only goes past the air breather and then over the bell housing to support the end of the loader,and That what I would like to do to mine. That's the main reason I am here to see if it would be ok to do this. I could cut off about 4 ft of the bottom loader frame from the front of the tractor back to that point,Hoping it will get rid of the sprong part so the bucket goes up even? it was a tube loader and I spent over 2000 dollars to replace the hydraulics and arms + the valve's with steel arms Later when I get the front pump fixed I will take a pic and post it.

Thank
Garry

Thanks for the picture. I really could not picture in my mind what you were trying to describe. I hope you can get it to work like you want but it sounds like a lot of money to sink into a 2N.

I purchased my 8N for $4000. But, it has a good Davis loader on it and came with the rollover box blade pictured plus a Woods M5 rotary mower.

Then purchased my MF202 Workbull for $2000. It came with the forklift front end on it and also the bucket that belongs on the loader.

If I were you, I would be looking around for something more towards your needs for the money you're spending. But anyway, I hope you get done what you want to do.

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Thank You

Those are great looking Loaders I wish I had taken the time to research more before I bought this Tractor I knew nothing about n Tractors and was told it was a 8 n lol. paid I think 3000 for it. Really got took But Then last year I had the loader rebuilt So It,s already done No turning back now I did a lot of searching o/l before I found out what this tractor was.Just love the break system where one brake is in one side and the other is on the other with the clutch. Like to have a talk with who ever designed that. I think I will cut off the bottom frame and go over the punkin like I want to.

That vid is not my tractor Just a vid I found on you tube though

Well Like I said I need to live with it now,And Being retired and no extra money I half to do what I can to fix it as well as I can.
 
(quoted from post at 18:09:19 09/30/17)
Hi

Seems to me that pto stands for power take off,Weather it takes power from the back,front,sides top or bottom it's still transferring power from one source to another.On mine it has a spline shaft that goes into the tractor and a keyed end going into a flexible connector to the pump Its a little over 9 inches long.

At 64 I only have this to use for snow or a big wheel barrow. I Only have a 1/4 acre of land in the country, So it's used not to often.But if you need to lift hundreds of pds Its perfect.

I plow the neighbors driveways in the winter ect

At 64 I Like to get a 2ed opion before I try something I am not sure will work.

Anyway On that vid You can see how his loader only goes past the air breather and then over the bell housing to support the end of the loader,and That what I would like to do to mine. That's the main reason I am here to see if it would be ok to do this. I could cut off about 4 ft of the bottom loader frame from the front of the tractor back to that point,Hoping it will get rid of the sprong part so the bucket goes up even? it was a tube loader and I spent over 2000 dollars to replace the hydraulics and arms + the valve's with steel arms Later when I get the front pump fixed I will take a pic and post it.

Thank
Garry

The twisting of the loader frame as the boom moves up/down is almost surely the cause of your repeated "PTO" shaft failures. Even with an undamaged frame, mounting the pump to the loader frame was not one of the better designs of that era. By all means move that pump to the front axle support where the shaft won't be flexing all over the place.

As far as fixing the twist in the frame goes you can move the front hanger back to the center of the tractor but depending on the frame design you may need to add a lot of bracing to the vertical elements of the loader to prevent them from bending or fracturing just like the one in the video. Does either of these loaders look anything like your loader?

TOH

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No Mine has a i beam from the back axle to the front of the tractor with posts going up in front of the steering wheel.The 2ed pic is more like the tube on it though But a completely design. I need to get a pic and post it as soon as I can But no way to move it till I fix the front pump.
 

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