Adding More Ponies

It's easy to add a few ponies to 8N!!!!
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Listened to the first 30-45 seconds or so before turning it off.

Aside from turning up the RPMs (Yes, that is the governor.), there is not much you can do to significantly increase the useable HP of your 8N.

Of course, increasing the RPMs worsens an already well known high ground speed issue.

Increasing the CR a point or so might add 2 or 3 PTO HP but, unless you know how to do this, you will likely give back much of the benefit resulting from increased RPMs.

Rather than trying to increase the useable HP of a 9/2/8N, I would simply spend my money on an 8** tractor.

Money well spent.

Dean
 
"Listened to the first 30-45 seconds or so before turning it off."

You should have listened to the whole thing Dean.
By the end of the video they have it hooked to a dyno and are
getting 32HP out of it! "Of course, my tractor has other modifications."

I appreciate all the good work these folks do, and they are fairly
local to me, but these videos have gotten to be more mis-information
than they are good information. Sad to see. I guess they can always
sell folks more parts to replace what they get people to break.
Pays for the videos.

I think I'll stick to the proper adjustments as per the manuals.
 
Yes, I am good friends with the Gingell family. the yare good, honest, hard working Christian people. Rachel and her mom and dad, Jennifer & Dan, work for STEINER now after the state forced them out of their business on M24 in Metamora years ago so they could put a new road in. Their building was demolished and the road never got put in, the land sets vacant today. Many years ago Jen & Dan made some DIY videos (VHS)with Jens' dad Guy, and her brother and a few others. Most are now converted to DVD and available at J&D Productions, Metamora, MI and sold here on this site. The videos were okay as far as getting the job done, and trying to keep the time limit on them down so all the basic steps are covered but some important ones ones skipped or barely mentioned. How do you cram a complete engine rebuild into a 20-30 minute video? I haven't watched all of the newer "Wrenching With Rachel" videos, but can't imagine them putting out any misinformation. Years ago there was a big hoopla about increasing Ford 8N horsepower by adding a dual exhaust system. I believe it was external_link offering the system. I think it was proved that it really didn't make a difference. Just for the record, I have a good friend who purchased a rare Sherman Hi-Torque Aluminum Head made for the 9N so he could get better/increased HP for pulling. It didn't work, no noticeable difference, required running Hi-Octane gas and tweaks on both carb and distributor. It is no wonder they weren't big sellers back in the day. BTW - I did tell Rachel that wrenching in a dress kind of doesn't get the message across.

Tim Daley(MI)
 
I certainly do not doubt that one can get 32+ PTO HP from a good 8N engine but the key word is "useable."

I expect that it is easier and less expensive to obtain the additional useable HP by spending the additional time/money on a 6/8** tractor.

Dean
 
Rachel does seem like a very nice young girl. I do enjoy the videos and they do help give folks the encouragement of "heck ,if she can do that I should be able to".
 

Setting the timing, and adjusting the carburetor, while the engine is turning on a dynamometer is a good way to get maximum potential horsepower out of an engine. Turning up the rpm's beyond rated rpm's of an engine is only a fools dream. It doesn't help in increasing the torque an engine. Once the rpm's are pulled down under a load you're right back to where you started.
 
(quoted from post at 16:43:19 09/29/17) Waste of time. Buy a 3 or 4000.

If the below link is the video everyone is talking about, she is showing how to tune an engine to perform at its best. The gain in horse power depends on how badly an engine is tuned before it is tuned in using the methods shown on the video. I think it is important information to know, but that only applies if you have access to a dynamometer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tos420VCUvk
 
Agreed.

How many 8N users hava a PTO dyno in the garage?

Even those folks who work as mechanics at tractor dealers likely will not have access to a PTO dyno that will accurately (or even inaccurately) measure PTO HP at 8N levels.

Buy a 6/8** tractor for a few bucks more and pick up live hydraulics and PTO in the process.

Dean
 

it's like me watching new yankee workshop. love ya, norm, but some of us don't own a planer/joiner, so u kinda lose me when u wax philosophical about which of your three or four you'd rather use for this particular job.
 
Rachel is a very nice young lady as are her sisters. She and her dad are licensed auctioneers as well. She knows her stuff -dad has been in tractors since the cradle, grandpas too. If you look at the history of Henry Ford and the 9N Tractor, one of his selling points was that a young lad or even a woman could operate the new tractor and often showed both doing just that -to prove how easy it was. Often the woman would be in a dress as well. It would be deemed sexist today for sure but life was different back then. Heck I recall watching my grandma drive the Ford-Ferguson 9N around the farm -the early 9N in my signature that I now own. Rachel really knows how to wrench, has been doing it too since the cradle, so isn't just a pretty face trying to sell something. As far as increased horsepower, the real test comes in the field under load like in the Nebraska tests.

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I agree Tim. I bet she keeps her fingernails clipped short to keep grease from accumulating under them.
 
(quoted from post at 09:40:45 09/30/17)
I agree Tim. I bet she keeps her fingernails clipped short to keep grease from accumulating under them.
I will agree with you both, she's a fine young lady.
My concern was over the content of the video, not her looks.

How does increasing the maximum RPM of my engine increase
the horsepower at the rated 540 PTO speed?

I'm not going to pick the whole video apart, but I will point out
that she said it is normal to set your main adjustment at 2 1/2
turns out and then increase it from there for more horsepower.
Ford literature, the I&amp;T manual and my experience all disagree.

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I am jellos I want a Dyno... Being able to dial you engine in under a load is hard to beat...

She should consider wearing some eye protection when working behind a radiator cooling fan, gloves would be nice also... Its her gig she can do it anyway she wants too.. :)

Right are wrong she is giving folks the general idea on how to do it. Sometimes I don't think she is doing anything but fiddling with it its the idea are a general explanation on how to do it that counts...
 

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