1952 8N wiring questions

Can anyone make sense of this for me? I've been looking at wiring diagrams but most don't include this upper starter solenoid. I've tried figuring it out but I'm stuck. The ignition switch is doing nothing when you press the starter switch it turns over regardless of key position. I bought a new terminal block but I'm unsure what goes where since all the wires were on one terminal before.
 
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LCT.......the 4-speed 8N starter solenoid is 3-terminals, 2-heavy duty and 1-regular duty. The solenoid is "hot" and is activated by the BIG starter button by the tranny shifter. Ignition key only controls the sparkies and is a known weaksister. I replaced mine 3-time one summer before I gott P.O. and botta waterproof marine grade toggle switch. I could have gotten a keyed switch iff'n I wanted. The picture you posted is a 4-terminal automobile solenoid which can work iff'n you know how. Yer obviously an electrical newbie so my recommendation to you is use the correct 3-terminal 8N tractor solenoid that mounts on top of yer starter motor........respectfully, electrical Dell
 
WTF is all that? Did you do that? I concur with JMOR -start by yanking all that carp off, literally, and get your self all the correct parts to do it right. You can google/bing search for 'Wiring Pictograms by JMOR' or email me for directions to the 'other' Ford N-Series Tractor club website that ha s it for FREE download in pdf format. He has put together a comprehensive list showing diagrams with pictures of every possible CORRECT way to wire these old Ford Tractors regardless if original 6-volt/positive ground or if a 12-volt convulsion was done on it. Most non-starting electrical issues on these old Fords are usually caused by someone doing a "12-volt conversion" abortion like yours. I'd start with first getting all the correct parts beginning with a good wiring harness. While you're waiting for the UPS delivery guy to arrive with your new, correct parts, take your battery, generator, starter, ammeter, coil, voltage regulator to your trusty, local starter/alternator shop-guy, the one who knows about these old Ford Tractors, and he can bench test them all for you, usually for free. Bring him a couple of pizzas or boxes of donuts and he'll be happy. Get new, correct parts here at LINK below:

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Ford Tractor Parts
 
"Upper" starter solenoid? Is there other one
that actually has the battery/starter cables
on it? Myself,,,I'd tear that whole mess off
of there and start over.
 
(quoted from post at 21:07:18 08/18/17) Can anyone make sense of this for me? I've been looking at wiring diagrams but most don't include this upper starter solenoid. I've tried figuring it out but I'm stuck. The ignition switch is doing nothing when you press the starter switch it turns over regardless of key position. I bought a new terminal block but I'm unsure what goes where since all the wires were on one terminal before.

Look up JMORE's wiring diagrams.. find the one that uses the parts you have, you will notice that you have some parts that do not belong there..
A new wiring harness can be had on this site or some others for $20... It is not difficult as there are actually only a few wires ..

You do have a mess there and if you take the guys advice they will be there to give you any help you might need during the process.. They know their stuff..
 
This is how this was set up. This is my first tractor and when I look at the wiring diagrams they are nothing like this. So sounds like I need to start over
 
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Thank you sir. Last night I tried to clean up this wiring mess. It got very confusing and I knew it couldn't be right. The tractor starts but the ignition is off and that's weird. I'll look up those diagrams and make this right. I do have a new solenoid that goes on the starter so that sounds like all I need.
 
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Thank you sir. Last night I tried to clean up this wiring mess. It got very confusing and I knew it couldn't be right. The tractor starts but the ignition is off and that's weird. I'll look up those diagrams and make this right. I do have a new solenoid that goes on the starter so that sounds like all I need.

You also need a new wiring harness. strip all the old wiring out and start over. It is really pretty simple.
 
I gave you the LINK below to Dennis Carpenter for parts. get a wiring harness for your side-mount 52 8N then follow JMOR's wiring pictograms to wire it correctly. I'd dump the 3-wire alternator and get the correct GM 1-wire unit.

TPD
 
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What does the listing say it will work on? It may or may not. probably has nothing for the lights, The one I got from this site with the alt kit worked fine, but I have no lights to worry about. I don't see one here for 3 wire alt but that could be wired real easy going by JMOR's wiring diagram.
 
I found your wiring diagrams very helpful but I can't figure out this three wire alternator. Do you have any information on something like that or should I just buy a new single wire alternator conversion kit?
 
(quoted from post at 19:30:12 08/19/17) I found your wiring diagrams very helpful but I can't figure out this three wire alternator. Do you have any information on something like that or should I just buy a new single wire alternator conversion kit?

It has a lot to do with time and money . If you are new at electrical wiring and have a little money to spare then the 1 wire is the easiest route .The guys here will gladly spend hours walking you through this if you need help . Lots of pictures will help .

The original starter set up incorporated a safety neutral switch . Some people do not understand how it works an want to rewire it like a newer automobile . A lot of experienced tractor owners have been injured from bypassed switches . These tractors start very easily in gear and will walk up a wall or run someone over before you can stop it .
 
I'm starting to hear more and more storie about the safety of these old tractors. I am going to keep the battery disconnected until I need to start the tractor.
Like I stated before now the ignition switch is not active it's bypassed somehow in the mess of wires I have so when the starter switch is pressed the tractor turns over.
I'd love to get this thing wired correctly.
 
Touch? !!! Often that is overlooked when talking about working on the electronics on these old Ns. ALWAYS remove the ground cable from the battery when working on anything electrical or even when removing the hood, gauges, switch, or toolbox. I prefer to remove both battery cables, and sometimes like if I'm going to pull the hood off, I'll remove the entire battery. Connecting the battery, then polarizing the generator are always the LAST items to do when working on electronics. We've all given you the correct information on how to proceed, now it's up to you to get rid of everything you have and start over -DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME -that was one of Dr. Demmings laws of manufacturing and should be applied to everything in life, marriages may be the exception. You never want to bypass the safety neutral starter button -you are asking for trouble, even injury or death. Get the correct new parts we said, get the essential manuals we said, get a copy of Bruce(VA)'s 75 Tips For N-Owners, get a copy of JMOR's Wiring Pictograms, and then after the work is complete, report back with results. You will be much happier, the tractor will be much happier, the world will be much happier.

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Yes, and if you jump an N tractor from your 12-volt car or truck battery -the safety neutral switch is also bypassed so one must ensure the transmission is in the neutral gear position before doing so. Never take shortcuts on electrical stuff. Limited budget isn't a reason to bypass things, it's an excuse to be lazy and cheap, and may end up with an injury or death, or costing you more when you do have to do it right, so you have to ask yourself is it worth it in the end? The original early 9N's did not have the safety starter switch -that was added shortly after. Also, all 9Ns and 2N starters did not use a solenoid and had a one-wire connection.

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(quoted from post at 07:19:25 08/20/17) Yes, and if you jump an N tractor from your 12-volt car or truck battery -the safety neutral switch is also bypassed so one must ensure the transmission is in the neutral gear position before doing so. Never take shortcuts on electrical stuff. Limited budget isn't a reason to bypass things, it's an excuse to be lazy and cheap, and may end up with an injury or death, or costing you more when you do have to do it right, so you have to ask yourself is it worth it in the end? The original early 9N's did not have the safety starter switch -that was added shortly after. Also, all 9Ns and 2N starters did not use a solenoid and had a one-wire connection.

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that would all depend on how you hook up the jumper cables. If your tractor is 12 volts, there is no problem of jumping directly to the battery.
 
(quoted from post at 10:36:22 08/20/17) Where is this neutral safety switch you speak of? I'm not sure if mine is bypassed or not but I'd like to know.
It is on top of the trans just forward and left of the shift lever. sethe only time you push the button is when the trans is in neutral.
 
The safety switch is the starter button. It wont let you depress the button while it is in gear. The starter will try to crank the motor even when the ignition switch is off. That really through me for a while too! The tractor will only actually start when the ignition switch is on.
 

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